Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

Quag · Jan 19, 2020

James972 said:
Every man woman and child was mobilized to serve the central government. THis was the exact opposite of freedom. Amazing you didn't know that. Ever wonder else you don't know??

You are wrong as always

danielpalos · Jan 19, 2020

James972 said:
Every man woman and child was mobilized to serve the central government. THis was the exact opposite of freedom. Amazing you didn't know that. Ever wonder else you don't know??

This is the common law for the common defense:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

Rich2018 · Jan 19, 2020

James972 said:
Caesars army was big enough to rule over most of the civilized world and Hannibals was big enough to subdue the capital of the Romans Empire.

So you have no idea of how big Caesar's army was. No idea how big an area Rome controlled in the late Republic period?
Why don't you do some research and find out exactly how big Caesar's army was.

I think you'll find it wasn't as big as you think and he absolutely did not rule over "most of the civilized world". You're history is confused and you're confusing eras.

Rome hardly had an empire in the second Punic War. Do you even know what the 2nd Punic War was and how big Rome was in that era ?

Do you even know how many men Hannibal commanded...do you have any idea on how Carthage was governed ?

yes all were huge huge liberal central governments. THey were exactly what our FOunders opposed and why they gave us freedom from liberal central government.

Caesar was a liberal, Henry XIII, Louis XIV ?

You know nothing of them clearly, you know nothing about the way the governed.
They were small governments with highly restrictive policies and laws.
The very definition of a conservative.

Every man woman and child was mobilized to serve the central government. THis was the exact opposite of freedom. Amazing you didn't know that. Ever wonder else you don't know??

No they weren't
In fact Nazi Germany is criticized for not switching to a war economy until late in the war.

Yet again you show you know NOTHING.

James972 · Jan 19, 2020

Rich2018 said:
So you have no idea of how big Caesar's army was.

big enough to conquer and manage most of the civilized world!!

James972 · Jan 19, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Caesar was a liberal, Henry XIII, Louis XIV ?

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yes all believed in huge central govt while our Founders knew central govt had been the source of evil in human history so gifted to us freedom from liberal central govt. Now do you understand??

James972 · Jan 19, 2020

Rich2018 said:
In fact Nazi Germany is criticized for not switching to a war economy until late in the war.
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so invasion of France Africa Poland Russia England (air) was all late in war done with weapons from local supermarkets????

Quag · Jan 20, 2020

James972 said:
so invasion of France Africa Poland Russia England (air) was all late in war done with weapons from local supermarkets????

Wow you just go all out on the ignorance dont you

Quag · Jan 20, 2020

James972 said:
big enough to conquer and manage most of the civilized world!!

He didn't come close to taking out China.
You are once again completely mistaken about history
Why are fascists like yourself so completely ignorant of history?

Rich2018 · Jan 20, 2020

James972 said:
big enough to conquer and manage most of the civilized world!!

No it wasn't, admit it, you have no idea how big Caesars army was. Because you never substantiate any of your claims, why should you bother with historical data when you have personal opinion :lamo

yes all believed in huge central govt while our Founders knew central govt had been the source of evil in human history so gifted to us freedom from liberal central govt. Now do you understand??

No a central government is a trait of a conservative government obsessed with keeping control

Ever wonder why liberalism and liberty sound the same?

so invasion of France Africa Poland Russia England (air) was all late in war done with weapons from local supermarkets????

No they were done EARLY in the war
Emphasis on war.
Like the USA today, Nazi Germany spent hugely on its military - which you don't count as part of the government

Rich2018 · Jan 20, 2020

Quag said:
Wow you just go all out on the ignorance dont you

It's hard to believe he's being serious

I suspect he's really a democrat trying to make Republicans look stupid.

Quag · Jan 20, 2020

Rich2018 said:
It's hard to believe he's being serious

I suspect he's really a democrat trying to make Republicans look stupid.

I would agree but there IS a growing number of exreme right wingers who are trying to claim fascism is left wing.

danielpalos · Jan 20, 2020

... our Constitution should only make lousy Government illegal.

James972 · Jan 20, 2020

Rich2018 said:
No a central government is a trait of a conservative government obsessed with keeping control

??? I"m sure both liberals and conservatives want to keep control. 1+1=2

James972 · Jan 20, 2020

Quag said:
I would agree but there IS a growing number of exreme right wingers who are trying to claim fascism is left wing.

especially since Mussolini and HItler were a left wing socialists for huge government and since our left wing spied for Stalin and HItler and since Sanders honeymooned in the USSR and loved it there and since Deblazio honeymooned in Cuba and Nicaragua, and since Green NEw Deal is as fascist as you can get!!.

-Guy Tugwell: (FDR Brain Trust) said of fascism: "It's the cleanest, neatest piece...of social machinery I've ever seen." ( page 11)

James972 · Jan 20, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Ever wonder why liberalism and liberty sound the same?

answer: because originally liberals were for liberty from powerful central monarchical/communist govt. Then they changed to thinking that powerful nanny state central govt welfare was the best govt of all. A child knows this.

James972 · Jan 20, 2020

Rich2018 said:
No they were done EARLY in the war

correct HItler was a totalitarian who forced entire population to follow is huge all powerful govt from day 1!!!

Quag · Jan 20, 2020

James972 said:
especially since Mussolini and HItler were a left wing socialists for huge government and since our left wing spied for Stalin and HItler and since Sanders honeymooned in the USSR and loved it there and since Deblazio honeymooned in Cuba and Nicaragua, and since Green NEw Deal is as fascist as you can get!!.

-Guy Tugwell: (FDR Brain Trust) said of fascism: "It's the cleanest, neatest piece...of social machinery I've ever seen." ( page 11)

Spew all the BS you want basaed on your willful ignorance of history Fascism is right wing
You are a fascist as this thread proves (IYes this is a fascist thread 100%)

Quag · Jan 20, 2020

James972 said:
answer: because originally liberals were for liberty from powerful central monarchical/communist govt. Then they changed to thinking that powerful nanny state central govt welfare was the best govt of all. A child knows this.

James972 said:
correct HItler was a totalitarian who forced entire population to follow is huge all powerful govt from day 1!!!

You are really proving that you are willfully ignorant

Night_Ranger · Jan 21, 2020

Quag said:
I would agree but there IS a growing number of exreme right wingers who are trying to claim fascism is left wing.

You see, the left wing revisionists have done a great job hiding the truth from the American people in regards to Hitler, the Nazi's, socialism and it's little brother known as fascism. Hitler was a socialist/fascist and good friends with Mussolini.

Fascism is entirely a left wing creation. It was born out of socialism, and Mussolini never faltered, he was a socialist until the day he died.

Quag · Jan 21, 2020

Night_Ranger said:
You see, the left wing revisionists have done a great job hiding the truth from the American people in regards to Hitler, the Nazi's, socialism and it's little brother known as fascism. Hitler was a socialist/fascist and good friends with Mussolini.

Fascism is entirely a left wing creation. It was born out of socialism, and Mussolini never faltered, he was a socialist until the day he died.

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Thanks for confirming what I said

Night_Ranger · Jan 21, 2020

Quag said:
Thanks for confirming what I said

So why don't you show us some evidence of fascism being a right wing "conspiracy theory"

Otherwise I have to put you in the category with the other democrats.

Rich2018 · Jan 21, 2020

danielpalos said:
... our Constitution should only make lousy Government illegal.

What's wrong with "lousy government" ?

As Gandhi once said, he'd prefer India to be run poorly by Indians than run well by the British.

danielpalos · Jan 21, 2020

Rich2018 said:
What's wrong with "lousy government" ?

As Gandhi once said, he'd prefer India to be run poorly by Indians than run well by the British.

Our social dilemma is more Exceptional than that. We have our Statue of Liberty to consider.

This is our mission statement as citizens and militia of the United States:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Rich2018 · Jan 21, 2020

James972 said:
??? I"m sure both liberals and conservatives want to keep control. 1+1=2

The why do liberals welcome a federal devolved government and conservatives cling on to a strong central government ?>

...because originally liberals were for liberty from powerful central monarchical/communist govt. Then they changed to thinking that powerful nanny state central govt welfare was the best govt of all. A child knows this.

Then "a child" should know that a liberal is still for liberty
I am a liberal, I should know what I stand for
A conservative will restrict freedoms. Hitler was a conservative, the USA has (mostly) had liberal policies and a liberal government

correct HItler was a totalitarian who forced entire population to follow is huge all powerful govt from day 1!!!

Hitler's government was small - if you don't count the military or para military
He was an extreme conservative and didn't believe in liberty/liberalism at all.

Rich2018 · Jan 21, 2020

danielpalos said:
Our social dilemma is more Exceptional than that. We have our Statue of Liberty to consider.

An impressive statue - I've actually visited it

This is our mission statement as citizens and militia of the United States:

Typo: it's ENsure, not INsure

And we all know that you don't understand the difference between "common" and "general"
You're unable to give an example of what a "common" welfare or defense policy would be or what a "general" welfare or defense policy would be.