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Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

queenmandy85 said:
James, in Canada, a Conservative first and foremost, is loyal to the Crown. It is the term I use to define myself. Liberals are seen to pro American.
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Canada is a very very nice tiny country but very insignificant so we don't care what definitions you use.
 
James972 said:
but obviously common welfare within the context of the very few enumerated powers. If not central govt could do any soviet thing it wanted and say it was for the common welfare. Welcome to your very first lesson in American History.
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By promoting the common welfare, the Founders intended to have post roads to effect reliable means of communication, a common currency to enable a fluid and robust economy, and trade policy that would benefit everybody, and in general promote those things that are for the common good. It did not allow the government to give preference or favor or benefit to any individual or group of individuals but it was restricted to do only that which contributed to the common good. They were so unified in that concept that they assumed it was well understood and failed to specifically forbid government to give preference or favor or benefit to any individual or group. They never imagined how corrupt the government would become and politicize and corrupt the concept.
 
AlbqOwl said:
By promoting the common welfare, the Founders intended to have post roads to effect reliable means of communication, a common currency to enable a fluid and robust economy, and trade policy that would benefit everybody, and in general promote those things that are for the common good. It did not allow the government to give preference or favor or benefit to any individual or group of individuals but it was restricted to do only that which contributed to the common good. They were so unified in that concept that they assumed it was well understood and failed to specifically forbid government to give preference or favor or benefit to any individual or group. They never imagined how corrupt the government would become and politicize and corrupt the concept.
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I actually agree with this comment, though having some memories of AlbqOwl's past posts, I do believe we have some major disagreements on just how the federal government is meant to support the "general welfare" of the nation.
 
James972 said:
nothing has changed. Plato and Aristotle defined history as the battle between freedom and govt and indeed that's exactly what it always has been. Look at Red China, the instant it adopted freedom it reversed 10,000 years of liberal big govt chaos, war, and poverty.
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My lord, you are quoting Plato to me now? Let me tell you something, if Plato were alive today he would be astonished to see how well good government can improve the lives of everyday people. He would be in France, Germany, Canada, Sweden, Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Japan, Taiwan and so on and look around and marvel at the incredible lives the average person leads, the freedom to live a good life in relative comfort in a style he thought only resided on Mt. Olympus. There is no reasoning with you. For your sanity either modernize yourself or move to the Third World where you can be free. Free to live like a dog.
 
Vadinho said:
My lord, you are quoting Plato to me now? Let me tell you something, if Plato were alive today he would be astonished to see how well good government can improve the lives of everyday people..
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utter total 100% confusion!!!!

1) All agree good govt can improve lives but the point Aristotle Lock and Jefferson made was that on balance govt is the source of evil on earth. Think HItler Stalin Mao and 1000's of others

2) yes we have good govt today because our Founders gifted to the world Republican conservative limited tiny tiny govt

3) Liberals are 100% brain dead, don't see what happened, and are reversing the progress with submoron libcommies like Obama and Sanders for whom HItler Stalin and Mao are heroes.

Now do you understand?
 
Somerville said:
how the federal government is meant to support the "general welfare" of the nation.
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easy, within the context of the few enumerated powers. IF not then general welfare would mean feds could do anything they wanted and claim it was for the general welfare. Same with necessary and proper. Obviously the feds got enumerated powers and states got everything else. Thats why its a federal govt not a national govt. Liberals freak out to learn they have been brainwashed.
 
Somerville said:
I actually agree with this comment, though having some memories of AlbqOwl's past posts, I do believe we have some major disagreements on just how the federal government is meant to support the "general welfare" of the nation.
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Well the discussions would get pretty boring if everybody agreed on everything, yes? :) Seriously, I fully respect anybody who disagrees with me and has a good argument for a different point of view. Sometimes that other point of view educates me and I see where my own opinion is lacking. But the worst are those who don't make a reasoned or supported argument for their point of view but think insulting the other member and/or his/her argument/statement is actually discussing it.

But I love to go toe to toe with a good debater who actually can defend his/her argument. :)
 
Over the last few decades, the U.S. Government has grown larger. During the years since, voters have supported this expansion of powers and the U.S. has become a great nation. As long as voters support it, that is going to be the case. The will of the people is paramount.
 
James972 said:
Canada is a very very nice tiny country but very insignificant so we don't care what definitions you use.
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Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world, larger than the USA
It has the 10th largest economy in the world
It is neither tiny nor insiginificant
You really really need to get an education before you post any more nonsense
 
Quag said:
Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world, larger than the USA
It has the 10th largest economy in the world
It is neither tiny nor insiginificant
You really really need to get an education before you post any more nonsense
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I remind you of George Carlin:
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
 
AlbqOwl said:
By promoting the common welfare, the Founders intended to have post roads to effect reliable means of communication, a common currency to enable a fluid and robust economy, and trade policy that would benefit everybody, and in general promote those things that are for the common good. It did not allow the government to give preference or favor or benefit to any individual or group of individuals but it was restricted to do only that which contributed to the common good. They were so unified in that concept that they assumed it was well understood and failed to specifically forbid government to give preference or favor or benefit to any individual or group. They never imagined how corrupt the government would become and politicize and corrupt the concept.
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I agree. If anything, the FF could be called naïve, but they did have the best intentions, and they were only human.
 
Quag said:
Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world, larger than the USA
It has the 10th largest economy in the world
It is neither tiny nor insiginificant
You really really need to get an education before you post any more nonsense
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Also the United States largest trading partner.
 
James972 said:
yes, it is very simple indeed when you at the complete sentence, they are supposed to be using tax monies in support of the only the enumerated powers.
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Yes, they are. The power to provide for the general welfare is general, not common. The power to provide for the common defense is common, not general; now do you understand?
 
Thoreau72 said:
I agree. If anything, the FF could be called naïve, but they did have the best intentions, and they were only human.
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Agreed. And I suppose it is human to think that what we do that is good and right will be appreciated and respected by those who follow. And indeed for more than 100 years, with the exception of a temporary blip here and there, the concept and principles of the Constitution were understood and held fast. The first to challenge it for his own political ambitions was Teddy Roosevelt. And because he got away with it, others pushed the envelope even more so that now an insidious pervasive progressivism is methodically destroying it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
By promoting the common welfare, the Founders intended to have post roads to effect reliable means of communication, a common currency to enable a fluid and robust economy, and trade policy that would benefit everybody, and in general promote those things that are for the common good. .
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This is BS of course since our Founders were not socialists. They were a little short sighted however on this issue and at the time simply did not realize that private enterprise would do a far more efficient job.
 
Quag said:
Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world, larger than the USA
It has the 10th largest economy in the world
It is neither tiny nor insiginificant
You really really need to get an education before you post any more nonsense
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It has a population of only 36 Million.
 
James972 said:
This is BS of course since our Founders were not socialists. They were a little short sighted however on this issue and at the time simply did not realize that private enterprise would do a far more efficient job.
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Socialism has the central government determining what is the common good and that requires control of the population and the means of production. That was not what the Founders promoted. And it is no BS.
 
Mircea said:
It has a population of only 36 Million.
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And?
Its still the 2nd largest country in the world so tiny does not apply.
It is the 10th largest economy so insignificant doesn't apply
James remains an uneducated and willfully ignorant poster
 
AlbqOwl said:
Agreed. And I suppose it is human to think that what we do that is good and right will be appreciated and respected by those who follow. And indeed for more than 100 years, with the exception of a temporary blip here and there, the concept and principles of the Constitution were understood and held fast. The first to challenge it for his own political ambitions was Teddy Roosevelt. And because he got away with it, others pushed the envelope even more so that now an insidious pervasive progressivism is methodically destroying it.
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As for me, I would prefer progress to retrograde movement.
 
I would prefer state-of-the-art Infrastructure, to alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror; the right wing does not want to pay for with taxes.
 
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