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Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

You do "know" that was changed by SCOTUS shortly after the signing, or do you? You neo-Third Reichers never have understood the concept of the Constitution, and its amendment properties. If not for the "liberals" slavery would still be a reality, not a historical event.
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So libcommies can amend it to make it a Communist Constitution and not be guilty of fraud or treason???
 
sure but it has nothing to do with OP which is about whether Constitution makes liberalism( ie big govt) illegal. Do you understand?

All I know is that the founders would be horrified by a Govt. run by billionaires. They hated the rich and did everything in their power to avoid what we have today...a Govt. bought and paid for by the wealthy and corporations. The believed all assets should revert to the State after death because they did not want dynasties like in Europe. They believed the wealthy would destroy our Republic and they were right.

Even stalwart members of the latter-day Republican Party, the representatives of business and inherited wealth, often emphatically embraced these tenets of economic equality in a democracy. I've mentioned Herbert Hoover's disdain for the "idle rich" and his strong support for breaking up large fortunes. Theodore Roosevelt, who was the first president to propose a steeply graduated tax on inheritances, was another: he declared that the transmission of large wealth to young men "does not do them any real service and is of great and genuine detriment to the community at large.''
https://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2010/10/estate_tax_and_founding_fathers
 
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All I know is that the founders would be horrified by a Govt. run by billionaires.

can you name the billionaires who run our govt and tell us when they took over??
 
They hated the rich and did everything in their power to avoid what we have today...a Govt. bought and paid for by the wealthy and corporations.]

1) actually our Founders were the rich 1+1=2

2) if you have evidence that they did everything in their power to avoid wealthy and corporations I will pay you $10,000

3) would you rather have poor and unemployed run country??
 
1) actually our Founders were the rich 1+1=2

2) if you have evidence that they did everything in their power to avoid wealthy and corporations I will pay you $10,000

3) would you rather have poor and unemployed run country??

In response to jimmie's all too common inanity and yet once again seemingly willful denial of real history:
1) Actually, only some of the Founders were rich, not all of them

2) Initially corporations were only allowed to exist for one year at a time, though this limit became extended to as long as 10 years under some state constitutions.
  • Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
  • Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
  • Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
  • There were instances in which corporations were shut down if they performed actions not granted under their charter or when their labour caused public harm.
  • Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed by employees while at work.
  • Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.

Until the years following the Civil War, legislators maintained tight control over the corporate chartering process. Owing to widespread public opposition, legislators granted very few corporate charters, often following extended debate in the legislatures over the necessity. Corporations were controlled by mandated conditions found in the charters granted by the state in which they operated. Other requirements and restrictions were found in state constitutions and state laws. Incorporated businesses were prohibited from taking any action that legislators did not specifically allow; for example, a company granted a charter for steel working could not also own or run mines providing coal or iron ore.

Unless a legislature renewed an expiring charter, the corporation was dissolved and its assets were divided among shareholders. Unfortunately for Americans, the system of corporate governance began to change during the Civil War and the immediate years following as corporations enriched by government contracts began to spend just a bit of their profits on what we know today as lobbying.

jimmie, we all know you will never pay anyone $10000, no matter how many times you are shown to be in error, so please - stop typing those words.

3) In a more equal and just society, we wouldn't have people working full time jobs who can't afford housing or nutritious meals or proper medical care.
 
1) Actually, only some of the Founders were rich, not all of them
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you said the last thing they wanted was for the rich and powerful to come to power when most of the Founders were rich and powerful. Goofy? As if they wanted the poor and impotent to come to power when they only let rich white men vote. Slow?? Liberal?
 
2) Initially corporations were only allowed to exist for one year at a time, though this limit became extended to as long as 10 years under some state constitutions.
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100% absurd of course, corporations then were govt monopolies so of course our freedom loving founders feared them. Today they are slaves to us competing to provide us the best jobs and products in the world just to survive. Do you understand?
 
Unless a legislature renewed an expiring charter, the corporation was dissolved and its assets were divided among shareholders..

Are you a communist? It killed 120 million human souls. Can you imagine monster libturd bureaucrats running a monster commie ministry trying to decide how to manage 30 million American corporations? Would you like to see liberals starve another 120 million starve to death?
 
3) In a more equal and just society, we wouldn't have people working full time jobs who can't afford housing or nutritious meals or proper medical care.
that was the soviet attitude just before they starved 60 million to death by putting everyone on the dole and discouraging everyone from working. Do you want to starve another 60 million? Of course China was a different breed of libcommie and they thought they knew better how to make it work but oddly they too slowly starved 60 million to death. Then of course Pol POt thought he could then provide for the common good too and oddly he too starved a huge % of the population of Cambodia. How many dead does the liberal need to see before he becomes a conservative?
 
you said the last thing they wanted was for the rich and powerful to come to power when most of the Founders were rich and powerful. Goofy? As if they wanted the poor and impotent to come to power when they only let rich white men vote. Slow?? Liberal?

Really? I posted that "the last thing they wanted was for the rich and powerful to come to power when most of the Founders were rich and powerful." Please provide a link to the post in which I wrote that. If you can't or refuse to, then most who read here will find one more example of your unwillingness to admit error.
 
100% absurd of course, corporations then were govt monopolies so of course our freedom loving founders feared them. Today they are slaves to us competing to provide us the best jobs and products in the world just to survive. Do you understand?

Oh please jimmie, can I read the history books which have you caused you to believe such crap?
 
Are you a communist? It killed 120 million human souls. Can you imagine monster libturd bureaucrats running a monster commie ministry trying to decide how to manage 30 million American corporations? Would you like to see liberals starve another 120 million starve to death?

I have posted a comment about a period, during some of which Karl Marx had not even been born. So, tell us just how restrictions on corporations were "communist"?

Do actual historical facts frighten you to such an extent, you begin to become irrational?
 
that was the soviet attitude just before they starved 60 million to death by putting everyone on the dole and discouraging everyone from working. Do you want to starve another 60 million? Of course China was a different breed of libcommie and they thought they knew better how to make it work but oddly they too slowly starved 60 million to death. Then of course Pol POt thought he could then provide for the common good too and oddly he too starved a huge % of the population of Cambodia. How many dead does the liberal need to see before he becomes a conservative?

jimmie, every one of your comments on this forum show to all who read that you, for some unknown reason, have not only an almost total ignorance of history, but also a seeming unwillingness to ever admit that you may be wrong.
 
So, tell us just how restrictions on corporations were "communist"?

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you didn't describe restrictions but rather a system of yearly absolute control that has no parallel other than communism. Not surprisingly our liberals spied for Stalin and now follow Sanders an open communist.Corporations need to be absolutely free to form and compete with each other to provide us the best jobs and products possible. When you get in their way you starve 120 million to death. Now do you understand?
 
an almost total ignorance of history,.
if so why so afraid to present your best example for whole world to see? What do you learn from your fear?
 
you didn't describe restrictions but rather a system of yearly absolute control that has no parallel other than communism. Not surprisingly our liberals spied for Stalin and now follow Sanders an open communist.Corporations need to be absolutely free to form and compete with each other to provide us the best jobs and products possible. When you get in their way you starve 120 million to death. Now do you understand?

Obviously, jimmie, you are the one who refuses to understand as you continue to show all, your continuing inability to understand actual history.

Marx's tome, Das Kapital, the foundation of communism, some say, was published in 1867. The American restrictions on corporations, which I have described in my earlier post, were during the period between the founding of this nation and the Reconstruction period. The only "communists" before the publication of Das Kapital were various religious groups - communists with a lower case "C" and not the party that Lenin and Stalin came to exemplifie in the 20th Century.
 
Obviously, jimmie, you are the one who refuses to understand as you continue to show all, your continuing inability to understand actual history.

Marx's tome, Das Kapital, the foundation of communism, some say, was published in 1867. The American restrictions on corporations, which I have described in my earlier post, were during the period between the founding of this nation and the Reconstruction period. The only "communists" before the publication of Das Kapital were various religious groups - communists with a lower case "C" and not the party that Lenin and Stalin came to exemplifie in the 20th Century.

and your point is????
 
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822.

yes Madison loved religion and wanted us to be religious as did Jefferson! Thanks for supporting the idea.
 
James, for a person who appears to not know the history of liberalism, you seem determined to rewrite the history to suit your purposes.
 
James, for a person who appears to not know the history of liberalism, you seem determined to rewrite the history to suit your purposes.
of course if there was evidence I didn't know history of liberalism you would not be so afraid to present it. What do you learn from your fear?
 
yes Madison loved religion and wanted us to be religious as did Jefferson! Thanks for supporting the idea.

WOW!

Thank you, jimmie. Yet once again you show all who read this thread that your ignorance of history is the centre and foundation of your posts on this and many other threads - thank you.
 
that was the soviet attitude just before they starved 60 million to death by putting everyone on the dole and discouraging everyone from working.
How the hell do you come up with this stupidity? When did the Soviets discourage working?
 
How the hell do you come up with this stupidity? When did the Soviets discourage working?

ah, actually the soviets were communists. Communism discourages work and encourages mooching. Do you understand?
 
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