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    Re: Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    best example is New Deal. It was a total liberal reconception of our govt and Supreme Court held it to be unconstitutional at first.
    So you plan not to collect Social Security? I kinda like it. I think the Supremes declared the National Recovery Act illegal, but otherwise found other parts of the New Deal to be ok. As I have said on other posts, people have turned to the federal govt when the states dropped the ball on things like lynching, discrimination, job safety, etc., or when things could be run more efficiently from Washington, like the EPA. No need to have the Voting Rights Act, for example, if Mississippi had respected the constitution.

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    Re: Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    So you plan not to collect Social Security? I kinda like it. I think the Supremes declared the National Recovery Act illegal, but otherwise found other parts of the New Deal to be ok. As I have said on other posts, people have turned to the federal govt when the states dropped the ball on things like lynching, discrimination, job safety, etc., or when things could be run more efficiently from Washington, like the EPA. No need to have the Voting Rights Act, for example, if Mississippi had respected the constitution.
    All of the New Deal programs where ruled unconstitutional; after FDR rebuilt the court in his image, he ran them back through and they were miraculously constitutional.

    You are presenting the United States as a unitary government; it is not.

    Mississippi did not violate the Constitution.

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    Re: Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    Try to understand that if liberals put enough liberals on the Supreme Court they can declare communism constitutional. Make sense?
    You may have missed it, but communism is constitutional, the party legal. Reagan didn't understand that, which is why he foolishly tried to ban Angela Davis from teaching. A legal communist party has been around for decades, though I imagine dues have dried up, starting with revelations about Stalin's crimes through the fall of the Berlin Wall, and its opposition to Gorbachov's reforms.

    But it's good to know the paranoia about it persists.

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    Re: Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    All of the New Deal programs where ruled unconstitutional; after FDR rebuilt the court in his image, he ran them back through and they were miraculously constitutional.

    You are presenting the United States as a unitary government; it is not.

    Mississippi did not violate the Constitution.
    By denying votes to blacks, it would appear that Miss. violated the 14th and 15th amendments, which of course are part of the Constitution. If I understand your comment about "unitary," we became so some time ago, about when we began to say "the United States is," as opposed to "the United States are." (And am I to assume that you think the hundreds of blacks lynched in, say, Mississippi, often in the presence of law enforcement, should not have been a federal concern?). As I understand it, FDR's court packing legislation attempting to increase the numbers of Supremes never passed, but otherwise the turnover in justices and their changed decisions on the New Deal was no different than the 1954 decision overturning the theory of separate but equal or Trump's appointments to the bench of people the Federalist Society thinks will decide things in a more conservative fashion. To the victor and all that.

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    Re: Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    By denying votes to blacks, it would appear that Miss. violated the 14th and 15th amendments, which of course are part of the Constitution. If I understand your comment about "unitary," we became so some time ago, about when we began to say "the United States is," as opposed to "the United States are." (And am I to assume that you think the hundreds of blacks lynched in, say, Mississippi, often in the presence of law enforcement, should not have been a federal concern?). As I understand it, FDR's court packing legislation attempting to increase the numbers of Supremes never passed, but otherwise the turnover in justices and their changed decisions on the New Deal was no different than the 1954 decision overturning the theory of separate but equal or Trump's appointments to the bench of people the Federalist Society thinks will decide things in a more conservative fashion. To the victor and all that.
    If it violated the Fourteenth Amendment, there would be no Fifteenth Amendment. All of the post-Civil War reconstruction amendments violate the purpose of the Article V amendment process.

    When exactly was the Constitution put in storage and the US become a unitary country?

    FDR did not pack the courts via legislation, but after a few years and a few retirements, he was able to accomplish his goal of an anti-constitutional court.

    Brown had zero constitutional basis, and the court was not shy about stating that their opinion had no constitutional basis in their opinion. Seperate but equal was not a theory, but was sanctioned by the Fourteenth Amendment and laws by the same Congress.

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    Re: Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    You may have missed it, but communism is constitutional, the party legal. Reagan didn't understand that, which is why he foolishly tried to ban Angela Davis from teaching. A legal communist party has been around for decades, though I imagine dues have dried up, starting with revelations about Stalin's crimes through the fall of the Berlin Wall, and its opposition to Gorbachov's reforms.

    But it's good to know the paranoia about it persists.
    The idea of communism maybe constitutional but if Joseph Stalin or Bernie Sanders try to get rid of the Senate or the house to consolidate government they would be arrested and put in jail .Now do you understand.Also it is actually unconstitutional for a communist to hold a federal office since they must take an oath to preserve and defend the constitution

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    Re: Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

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    I have made my point regarding your conflicting links and the misrepresentation of classical liberalism and modern liberalism.
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    Re: Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    If it violated the Fourteenth Amendment, there would be no Fifteenth Amendment. All of the post-Civil War reconstruction amendments violate the purpose of the Article V amendment process.

    When exactly was the Constitution put in storage and the US become a unitary country?

    FDR did not pack the courts via legislation, but after a few years and a few retirements, he was able to accomplish his goal of an anti-constitutional court.

    Brown had zero constitutional basis, and the court was not shy about stating that their opinion had no constitutional basis in their opinion. Seperate but equal was not a theory, but was sanctioned by the Fourteenth Amendment and laws by the same Congress.
    yes the Supreme Court has the power of judicial review and it has power even beyond that because it makes laws in effect that are in no way related to any constitutional subject matter. Such as abortion. Liberals have given the cord for power of the executive branch and the Congress don’t have that is why the next supreme court nominee battle will be a battle to the death.

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