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Mussolini is generally viewed as the father of Fascism.

Leftists love to point out that Hilter rounded up communists and socialists to offer up a very flawed example of why Fascism is a right wing ideology.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Hitler didn't target socialists or communists of the German population, he targeted the leadership of competing political parties in Germany that were a threat to his absolute authority.


You know little of politics.

Fascism - Democracy is about the share of political power

Capitalism - Communism is about the share of wealth and income


So Hitler and Mussolini were on the extreme right of politics. You can argue their economic standing, but I'd say they were for a mixed economy.
 
You know little of politics.

Fascism - Democracy is about the share of political power

Capitalism - Communism is about the share of wealth and income


So Hitler and Mussolini were on the extreme right of politics. You can argue their economic standing, but I'd say they were for a mixed economy.

How could Mussolini be on the extreme right of politics if we have him on record saying he has always been a socialist?

You've ignored the quotation several times now.
 
Mussolini is generally viewed as the father of Fascism.

Leftists love to point out that Hilter rounded up communists and socialists to offer up a very flawed example of why Fascism is a right wing ideology.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Hitler didn't target socialists or communists of the German population, he targeted the leadership of competing political parties in Germany that were a threat to his absolute authority.

Basically, you have shown the readers that you actually know very little history AND the fact that your beliefs are unsupported by any reality apparently causes you to believe that all of those historians and political scientists are just lying for the big bucks they make in the academic world. kinda sad actually.
 
How could Mussolini be on the extreme right of politics if we have him on record saying he has always been a socialist?

You've ignored the quotation several times now.

LOL did you not read, he is on the right politically, his economic leaning is open the debate but I think he rejected socialist policies when in power.
 
How could Mussolini be on the extreme right of politics if we have him on record saying he has always been a socialist?

You've ignored the quotation several times now.

national socialism is to the right of democratic socialism.

the right wing only alleges to be for Capitalism, in socialism threads.
 
LOL did you not read, he is on the right politically, his economic leaning is open the debate but I think he rejected socialist policies when in power.
Historians and other scholars disagree on the question of whether a specifically fascist type of economic policy can be said to exist. Baker argues that there is an identifiable economic system in fascism that is distinct from those advocated by other ideologies, comprising essential characteristics that fascist nations shared.[1] Payne, Paxton, Sternhell et al. argue that while fascist economies share some similarities, there is no distinctive form of fascist economic organization.[2] Gerald Feldman and Timothy Mason argue that fascism is distinguished by an absence of coherent economic ideology and an absence of serious economic thinking. They state that the decisions taken by fascist leaders cannot be explained within a logical economic framework

fascists are kinda all over the place economally because it wasnt really part of what they were. It was more about nationalism, militarism and xenophobia

the non thinking extreme right (aka fascists) want to pretend it is left wing to dissociate themselves from a term that is reviled while esposing the same ideology.
 
fascists are kinda all over the place economally because it wasnt really part of what they were. It was more about nationalism, militarism and xenophobia

the non thinking extreme right (aka fascists) want to pretend it is left wing to dissociate themselves from a term that is reviled while esposing the same ideology.

True, we see totalitarian leaders support capitalism if it is productive towards their end, we've also see totalitarian leaders in a socialist or even communist economy.
 
national socialism is to the right of democratic socialism.

the right wing only alleges to be for Capitalism, in socialism threads.

No such thing as right wing socialism. Impossible and it didn't happen here.

Gotta remember, fascism is just socialism with a capitalistic veneer. It's *still* based on socialism.

Again, I am just looking for the correct reasoning here. Please explain why, at the end of his life,

Mussolini re-affirmed his status as a socialist?

Fascism was borne from Mussolini, and he is often credited as being the man who defined fascism.
 
No such thing as right wing socialism. Impossible and it didn't happen here.

Gotta remember, fascism is just socialism with a capitalistic veneer. It's *still* based on socialism.

Again, I am just looking for the correct reasoning here. Please explain why, at the end of his life,

Mussolini re-affirmed his status as a socialist?

Fascism was borne from Mussolini, and he is often credited as being the man who defined fascism.

No, you're not reading correctly. Fascism and socialism are TOO different concepts, like capitalism and democracy.

You're thinking along a single linear scale.

There's two scales.

Draw a cross on a blank piece of paper. The horizontal (x) axis is power with democracy on the left and totalitarianism (fascism) on the right.

The vertical (y) axis is economics with communism at the top and capitalism on the bottom.


Now you have a TWO dimensional chart where to spot governments.


Extreme economics varies from one man owning everything (ultimate capitalism) to every man owning to same (communism)
Extreme politics varies from one man controlling everything (totalitarianism/fascism) to every man having an equal say on everything (pure democracy)
 
Basically, you have shown the readers that you actually know very little history AND the fact that your beliefs are unsupported by any reality apparently causes you to believe that all of those historians and political scientists are just lying for the big bucks they make in the academic world. kinda sad actually.

I take it you cannot answer the question? It's very simple...

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No, you're not reading correctly. Fascism and socialism are TOO different concepts, like capitalism and democracy.

You're thinking along a single linear scale.

There's two scales.

Draw a cross on a blank piece of paper. The horizontal (x) axis is power with democracy on the left and totalitarianism (fascism) on the right.

The vertical (y) axis is economics with communism at the top and capitalism on the bottom.


Now you have a TWO dimensional chart where to spot governments.


Extreme economics varies from one man owning everything (ultimate capitalism) to every man owning to same (communism)
Extreme politics varies from one man controlling everything (totalitarianism/fascism) to every man having an equal say on everything (pure democracy)

We can address the details later but more or less, do you agree with this chart?

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We can address the details later but more or less, do you agree with this chart?


Really fascism was a political system followed in the 1930's in some places in Europe.

What you really mean is totalitarianism.

Items 1, 8 & 9 didn't apply much to Stalin.


Why would No 5 apply?
The infant USA was highly sexist. Women didn't get the votes for 140+ years!
 
Do you guys more or less agree with the folloing information?

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Okay let's come at this a little differently.

How can a self described socialist like Mussolini (clearly, he would be on the left wing politically speaking) and then one day he creates a "fascist far right dictatorship" This is total joke!

Are you actually going to make the claim that Mussolini embraced far right ideology (fascism)
 
IM going to be adding a few more of these political spectrum charts. I thought it would be fun to go point by point and see what we can come up with.

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Okay let's come at this a little differently.

How can a self described socialist like Mussolini (clearly, he would be on the left wing politically speaking) and then one day he creates a "fascist far right dictatorship" This is total joke!

Are you actually going to make the claim that Mussolini embraced far right ideology (fascism)

Mussolini's fascist government supported traditional social values, and rapproachement with the catholic church. They were also endorsed by the King of Italy. None of this is particularly socialist.

In terms of economic policy, here is a passage from the Doctrine of Fascism, published under Mussolini's name.

"The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and useful instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production. State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management."
 
IM going to be adding a few more of these political spectrum charts. I thought it would be fun to go point by point and see what we can come up with.

Political-Spectrum-Essentialized6.jpg

Made up nonsense
 
Okay let's come at this a little differently.

How can a self described socialist like Mussolini (clearly, he would be on the left wing politically speaking) and then one day he creates a "fascist far right dictatorship" This is total joke!

Are you actually going to make the claim that Mussolini embraced far right ideology (fascism)

No, Mussolini, if he did in actual fact enact socialist policies, would put him on the left ECONOMICALLY and not politically.
 
No, Mussolini, if he did in actual fact enact socialist policies, would put him on the left ECONOMICALLY and not politically.

So you still don't know if Mussolini enacted socialist policy?

Moreover, you seem to compartmentalize his ideologies into little boxes. Socialism is defined:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

If he did enact socialist policy, this will put him on the left economically and NOT politically? How did you come up with this little gem?

It's clear that Mussolini was a socialist, this has never been in doubt. And I think we can all agree that fascism was born from socialism, right?

It's clear from the definition you are not making sense. Socialism encompasses an economic system. For example, you cannot be Far right wing politically and advocate for socialism at the same time. This is a serious paradox you find yourself in.
 
So you still don't know if Mussolini enacted socialist policy?

Nope, he didn't for example, take ownership of the means of production - a big indicator of a socialist government.

Moreover, you seem to compartmentalize his ideologies into little boxes. Socialism is defined:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


And Mussolini did not do this when in power


If he did enact socialist policy, this will put him on the left economically and NOT politically? How did you come up with this little gem?

If Mussolini enacted socialist policies it would put him on the left economically with a theoretical goal of sharing wealth equally.
However far left economics has always failed and usually can only be maintained via a dictatorship.

A right wing political government would focus political power (the ability to make you do something rather than to persuade you to) on to one man (with the practical considerations that he'd have to delegate some power)
A left wing political system spreads political power equally, but as Republicans love to tell us that doesn't work for practical reasons and extreme left wing politics is impossible for all but the smallest groups. So we have the representative democracy you see in the USA today.


It's clear that Mussolini was a socialist, this has never been in doubt.

Again what evidence do you have to support this?


And I think we can all agree that fascism was born from socialism, right?

No, when you're talking about fascism you're talking about the political system employed in Italy in the 1930's. To call other countries "fascist" is technically wrong, like it's wrong to call any government "Nazi" other than the one under Hitler.

What most people refer to as fascism is really a focus of political power to a few people - frequently it's the military and frequently it's a response to a failing economy. Argentina from the 1930's - 1982 is a good example


It's clear from the definition you are not making sense. Socialism encompasses an economic system. For example, you cannot be Far right wing politically and advocate for socialism at the same time. This is a serious paradox you find yourself in.


Then you have a comprehension problem

I'm assume you've never studied politics.

You most definitely can occupy a position of right wing politics and left wing economics in fact it was very common in the last century. Stalin was a good example.
 
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