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Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

ElChupacabra said:
So why do you support big government military?
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oh look, the liberal thought of another silly argument. Conservatives support a huge military to defend our our country, a country wherein the Constitution guarantees our freedom from big liberal govt.
 
ElChupacabra said:
You can have freedom and social programs; just check with other industrialized nations.
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you mean like the Europeans who live at 50% of our GDP and would live at 20% if they could not copy our inventions????
 
James972 said:
oh look, the liberal thought of another silly argument. Conservatives support a huge military to defend our our country, a country wherein the Constitution guarantees our freedom from big liberal govt.
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Nope, just challenging your hypocritical small government nonsense. You don't think you need a bureaucracy to support a "huge military"?
 
ElChupacabra said:
Yep, but who are doing well nonetheless.
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Europe is doing well? You mean they are surviving at 50% of our GDP while copying our inventions and would be dying if not for the medical care we invent. We hold 70% of all recent medical patents not them. Silicone valley in is USA not Europe, Ever wonder why???
 
ElChupacabra said:
Nope, just challenging your hypocritical small government nonsense. You don't think you need a bureaucracy to support a "huge military"?
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doesn't matter; we need a huge military to maintain peace on earth, save billions of lives and so we can enjoy freedom from liberal govt at home.
 
James972 said:
how could they be liberals if they were for very very limited govt????????????????????
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You're joking right?

The loyalists were the ones that wanted the status quo and our founders, like liberals during any era who fight and justice, wanted more fairness for more people. Just like liberals and progressives of today.
 
CaughtInThe said:
You're joking right?

The loyalists were the ones that wanted the status quo and our founders, like liberals during any era who fight and justice, wanted more fairness for more people. Just like liberals and progressives of today.
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ah so liberals are those who fight for justice and more fairness??? and our Founders thought justice and fairness are best achieved with very very limited govt just like conservatives today. Thank you for clarifying.
 
Rich2018 said:
The founders were for $$$ not "freedom"
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silly assertion but no evidence whatsoever. Sad that you find assertions meaningful. This is debate site not assertion site. Do you get the difference?
 
James972 said:
doesn't matter; we need a huge military to maintain peace on earth, save billions of lives and so we can enjoy freedom from liberal govt at home.
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Opinion noted and dismissed
 
James972 said:
silly assertion but no evidence whatsoever. Sad that you find assertions meaningful. This is debate site not assertion site. Do you get the difference?
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Yes there is

The upper middle classes were against British taxation and saw an opportunity to direct those taxes away from Britain.

The US civil war was fought for the same reason $$$


This is also proven that the colonists who did the fighting got no "freedom" following independence and the Confederate soldiers who did the fighting were largely dirt farmers who owned no slaves.
 
James972 said:
ah so liberals are those who fight for justice and more fairness??? and our Founders thought justice and fairness are best achieved with very very limited govt just like conservatives today. Thank you for clarifying.
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yeah, you're not gonna understand.
 
CaughtInThe said:
yeah, you're not gonna understand.
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so you agree our Founders tried to protect us from big liberal govt, and that was without seeing the great 20th Century liberals, HItler Stalin and Mao. You have seem them and still you don't understand the evil of liberalism. How is that possible?
 
James972 said:
so you agree our Founders tried to protect us from big liberal govt, and that was without seeing the great 20th Century liberals, HItler Stalin and Mao. You have seem them and still you don't understand the evil of liberalism. How is that possible?
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The founders were 18th century men

For example education was more narrowly focused back then.

The population was much smaller so no need of an FBI or an ATF or a Dept of Agriculture etc etc

For them, transportation was a dirt road traveled by horse, no need of an FAA

Entertainment was a conversation round the fireplace, no need of an FCC


The founders were not fortune tellers.

Good government is all-encompassing big government.

Small government is abdication from responsibility.


The kind of government you fantasize about hasn't been seen since the 19th century.
 
Rich2018 said:
Good government is all-encompassing big government.
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that's what the great 20th century liberals, Hitler Stalin Mao thought and they were the most all- encompassing killers in human history. Whoops!
 
James972 said:
doesn't matter; we need a huge military to maintain peace on earth, save billions of lives and so we can enjoy freedom from liberal govt at home.
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:lamo

oh is that what the US has been doing? How's that Iraqi peace coming along; or Afghanistan?
 
James972 said:
Europe is doing well? You mean they are surviving at 50% of our GDP while copying our inventions and would be dying if not for the medical care we invent. We hold 70% of all recent medical patents not them. Silicone valley in is USA not Europe, Ever wonder why???
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You're so full of misinformation. It is funny reading your ramblings though; kind of like a bizarre stream of consciousness.
 
James972 said:
so you agree our Founders tried to protect us from big liberal govt, and that was without seeing the great 20th Century liberals, HItler Stalin and Mao. You have seem them and still you don't understand the evil of liberalism. How is that possible?
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what really happened was a bunch of loyalists, the conservatives of their day, wanted things to stay exactly as they were and didn't care about equal treatment for those people who couldn't stand up for themselves.

You probably recognize those people today. You probably also recognize the people of today that stand up for injustice and equal rights for more and more people. If the conservatives of that time had won we would be drinking tea and honoring the queen.
 
ElChupacabra said:
You're so full of misinformation. It is funny reading your ramblings though; kind of like a bizarre stream of consciousness.
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I dont really think hes conscious
 
CaughtInThe said:
...if the conservatives of that time had won we would be drinking tea and honoring the queen.
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I'll give you the tea would who would you prefer as head of state; the Queen or Trump ?


The biggest mistake the framers of the Constitution made was not to split the offices of head of state and head of government.
 
CaughtInThe said:
what really happened was a bunch of loyalists, the conservatives of their day, wanted things to stay exactly as they were .
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conservatives ??? stay as they were??? Does this mean those who didn't want to change to HItler Stalin and Mao were the conservatives of their day??? See why they say liberalism is based in ignorance?
 
Rich2018 said:
The biggest mistake the framers of the Constitution made was not to split the offices of head of state and head of government.
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total misunderstand. Biggest mistake was not providing death penalty for slow usurpations.


James Madison: “I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison
 
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