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Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

James972 said:
Our Founders were incredible geniuses who studied all of human history and discovered that big liberal central govt had been the source of evil in human history, and that was before the great 20th century liberal leaders, Hitler Stalin and Mao had appeared. Thus, they gave us freedom from liberal central govt. Do you understand?
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Actually, they didn't discover that. They instead decided monarchy was bad and decided to make a democracy.
 
James972 said:
not a liberal?? then why did hillary and Bernie endorse each other; why are they in the same big govt party?
big govt is big govt regardless of the name, This is why our Founders made big govt illegal here regardless of the name or rationale. NOw certainly you understand?
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No authoritarian is a liberal. Your failure to understand this is likely intentional.

And for your edification, Bernie is not a member of the Democratic party. This bit of m8understanding on your part is probably also intentional.
 
James972 said:
sure but it has nothing to do with OP which is about whether Constitution makes liberalism( ie big govt) illegal. Do you understand?
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I understand you don't know how to interpret the Constitution.
 
James972 said:
Sure it does by restricting our government to a very few enumerated powers.
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Nope. No more than it would ban conservatism.

In fact the Constitution provides protections that such groups cannot be disbanded.

1: Free speech.
2: Right to association.

Besides, how the hell could you ban an ideology? "Liberalism" is just that, an ideology.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Nope. No more than it would ban conservatism.

In fact the Constitution provides protections that such groups cannot be disbanded.

1: Free speech.
2: Right to association.
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true enough liberals get free speech and association, but cant really hold office since Constitution requires an oath that you preserve and protect Constitution. Since liberals oppose basic principle of Constitution they must lie to assume office, and, if they try to make the govt liberal the Constitution in theory will prevent them from translating speech or association into govt policy.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Besides, how the hell could you ban an ideology? "Liberalism" is just that, an ideology.
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our Founders in effect banned liberalism by making implementation of liberal policies illegal.
 
James972 said:
true enough liberals get free speech and association, but cant really hold office since Constitution requires an oath that you preserve and protect Constitution. Since liberals oppose basic principle of Constitution they must lie to assume office, and, if they try to make the govt liberal the Constitution in theory will prevent them from translating speech or association into govt policy.
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So what you are saying is that according to you, you cannot hold office according to the constitution.
Unfortunatel you are wrong (as always) and if somehow you find enough brain dead people to vote for you, you actually can hold office (and God help the USA if that ever happens)
 
Quag said:
So what you are saying is that according to you, you cannot hold office according to the constitution.
Unfortunatel you are wrong (as always) and if somehow you find enough brain dead people to vote for you, you actually can hold office (and God help the USA if that ever happens)
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??????
 
James972 said:
true enough liberals get free speech and association, but cant really hold office since Constitution requires an oath that you preserve and protect Constitution. Since liberals oppose basic principle of Constitution they must lie to assume office, and, if they try to make the govt liberal the Constitution in theory will prevent them from translating speech or association into govt policy.
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If anything that the liberals pass is unconstitutional then it gets shot down via SCOTUS. Same goes with Republicans when they want to expand government to control things like marriage and abortion. (ie: big government). So really, you have no leg to stand on.
 
Kal'Stang said:
If anything that the liberals pass is unconstitutional then it gets shot down via SCOTUS. Same goes with Republicans

when they want to expand government to control things like marriage and abortion. (ie: big government). So really, you have no leg to stand on.
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1) shot down by SCOTUS? Sadly, court has already been mostly subverted by liberals so obviously we have liberal policies in place
2) marriage and abortion were not in the Constitution because they were in the Church. Godless liberals have killed off the church and morality thus govt must now serve as an unfortunate and weak alternative to promote basic morality.
 
Anthony60 said:
If that is your answer, then you don't really understand the Constitution at all.
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I do not think you understand facetiousness.

And where in the Constitution does it declare that liberal ideas are verboten? The issue is not the Constitution, but your authortarian interpretation of it.

I guess in your world the US Consitution is by the Republicans, to the Republicans and for the Republicans and no one else.
 
James972 said:
1) shot down by SCOTUS? Sadly, court has already been mostly subverted by liberals so obviously we have liberal policies in place
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Just because you disagree with some decisions doesn't mean that they made unconstitutional decisions on those issues.

James972 said:
2) marriage and abortion were not in the Constitution because they were in the Church. Godless liberals have killed off the church and morality thus govt must now serve as an unfortunate and weak alternative to promote basic morality.
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You do know about Amendment 9 which is a part of the Bill of Rights...right?

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Meaning that not all Rights are listed in the Constitution. Why? Because the Founders realized that it would be impossible to list ALL the Rights that people hold. And while the Right to Privacy is not explicitly in the Constitution it is strongly hinted at by several of the Amendments in the BoR. As for Marriage, it wasn't until around the 1400's that the Church insisted on being a part of marriage ceremony's. Before then it was the province of State. And abortion was never a part of the Church.
 
James972 said:
when we talk today we use today's definitions. Do you understand? You cant really use the word's definition from a certain time in history and expect listeners to know what you are talking about.
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Your OP practices the corruption of language that Orwell mentioned. If the language can be successfully corrupted (and it has), what follows naturally is the corruption of thought processes. Mission Accomplished.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Just because you disagree with some decisions doesn't mean that they made unconstitutional decisions on those issues.

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I didn't say they were unconstitutional because I disagreed with them but rather because SCOTUS decisions were opposed to basic principle of Constitution.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Your OP practices the corruption of language that Orwell mentioned. If the language can be successfully corrupted (and it has), what follows naturally is the corruption of thought processes. Mission Accomplished.
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please stop clowning tell us where the corruptions of language is and why you think it is corruption
 
James972 said:
I didn't say they were unconstitutional because I disagreed with them but rather because SCOTUS decisions were opposed to basic principle of Constitution.
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So that is your opinion as a constitutional scholar?
 
Quag said:
So that is your opinion as a constitutional scholar?
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its the opinion of the conservatives on the court. Do you understand?
 
James972 said:
abortion welfare social security Medicare and????????????
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Ironically though, the US was quite liberal at the time it was founded. They were a democracy while other countries were still monarchies.
 
Soopairik said:
Ironically though, the US was quite liberal at the time it was founded. They were a democracy while other countries were still monarchies.
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yes but our subject is not irony but rather does the Constitution make big govt liberalism illegal
 
James972 said:
its the opinion of the conservatives on the court. Do you understand?
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I understand that you dont understand, my extremely liberal friend
 
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