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    Freedom of Speech in schools.

    In public school should a students freedom of speech be respected? Public school is a government program, and the 1st amendment is a government law. Also along the lines of the 1st amendment, should teachers be able to share there thoughts and values with students. This is just a thought concerning restrictions in public schools, please tell me what you think.

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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Marx View Post
    In public school should a students freedom of speech be respected? Public school is a government program, and the 1st amendment is a government law. Also along the lines of the 1st amendment, should teachers be able to share there thoughts and values with students. This is just a thought concerning restrictions in public schools, please tell me what you think.
    No.

    No more than your freedom of expression is unrestricted in a work environment, or the military, or prison...I think one can posit further examples.

    A student is at "work" when sent to school. The job is to learn, not disrupt.

    Feel free to express, but expect the consequences if that expression is disruptive or unwarranted...in that case suspension, expulsion, failing to graduate.

    Just like in any adult situation.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Marx View Post
    In public school should a students freedom of speech be respected? Public school is a government program, and the 1st amendment is a government law. Also along the lines of the 1st amendment, should teachers be able to share there thoughts and values with students. This is just a thought concerning restrictions in public schools, please tell me what you think.
    Freedom of speech is respected for students in schools. Up to a point. No kid has their full Rights until they become adults. And for good reason. You wouldn't exactly want your 6 year old to just walk out of class to go to the candy store on their own now would you? Nor would you want your 16 year old to be hollering in class disrupting any other child's chance to learn either.

    As for teachers, no. They may have all their Rights but their job is to teach facts to children. Not influence children towards a particular religion or political viewpoint or anything else subjective. Since a teacher is essentially a part of the government they have no place in influencing children on subjective matters.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    As long as kids raise their hands and wait to be called on.

    Teachers, on the other hand, should stick to their subject.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    As long as kids raise their hands and wait to be called on.
    So as long as the learning environment is kept, then freedom of speech should be upheld?

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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Marx View Post
    So as long as the learning environment is kept, then freedom of speech should be upheld?
    No. Public School is a forced attendance mandate. Our students are idiots. If they were already brilliant, they would not need education.

    Uniforms should be mandated and strict compliance to ethical and courteous behavior need to be enforced.

    The practices of our education system should outfit our students with knowledge and behaviors that prepare them to benefit the society and not be a burden upon it.

    In my case, Algebra was a waste of my time and that of the instructor. Checkbook balancing would have been useful to me.

    ANY of the social feel good classes or comments by the faculty members need be reserved to the clubs after school.

    Extending courtesy to ALL people should be taught from the first day to all students as a matter of daily conduct. This single measure would eliminate the ridiculous fragmentation of being inclusive to particular groups. We are all ONE GROUP!

    That should be the social lesson of our education system. Everything feel good, PC line of crap is divisive.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Freedom of speech is respected for students in schools. Up to a point. No kid has their full Rights until they become adults. And for good reason. You wouldn't exactly want your 6 year old to just walk out of class to go to the candy store on their own now would you? Nor would you want your 16 year old to be hollering in class disrupting any other child's chance to learn either.

    As for teachers, no. They may have all their Rights but their job is to teach facts to children. Not influence children towards a particular religion or political viewpoint or anything else subjective. Since a teacher is essentially a part of the government they have no place in influencing children on subjective matters.
    Were you ever a teacher and did all you do was teach facts to children?
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Marx View Post
    In public school should a students freedom of speech be respected? Public school is a government program, and the 1st amendment is a government law. Also along the lines of the 1st amendment, should teachers be able to share there thoughts and values with students. This is just a thought concerning restrictions in public schools, please tell me what you think.
    Every freedom has to be balanced.

    The older you get in the school system the more you can be free to express your ideas.

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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Were you ever a teacher and did all you do was teach facts to children?
    I am not certified as a teacher and have never taught in a classroom setting. However I am a father who teaches his children and I do know what I want them to be taught and what I do not want them to be taught without my guidance. That is my job and role as a father. The only one who has even an equal say to mine when it comes to my kids is my wife, their mother. Anyone else can go to hell.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I am not certified as a teacher and have never taught in a classroom setting. However I am a father who teaches his children and I do know what I want them to be taught and what I do not want them to be taught without my guidance. That is my job and role as a father. The only one who has even an equal say to mine when it comes to my kids is my wife, their mother. Anyone else can go to hell.
    I thought as much from your comment that the only thing a teacher should do is teach facts.
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