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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    No. Public School is a forced attendance mandate. Our students are idiots. If they were already brilliant, they would not need education.

    Uniforms should be mandated and strict compliance to ethical and courteous behavior need to be enforced.

    The practices of our education system should outfit our students with knowledge and behaviors that prepare them to benefit the society and not be a burden upon it.

    In my case, Algebra was a waste of my time and that of the instructor. Checkbook balancing would have been useful to me.

    ANY of the social feel good classes or comments by the faculty members need be reserved to the clubs after school.

    Extending courtesy to ALL people should be taught from the first day to all students as a matter of daily conduct. This single measure would eliminate the ridiculous fragmentation of being inclusive to particular groups. We are all ONE GROUP!

    That should be the social lesson of our education system. Everything feel good, PC line of crap is divisive.
    Algebra is a much needed and basic foundation for many technical jobs. Even calculating your insurance rates or other such things requires a base knowledge of algebra. It is not a waste of time if taught in a way that emphasizes its usefulness rather than simply saying "solve this equation, doesn't matter why".
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I thought as much from your comment that the only thing a teacher should do is teach facts.
    I take it you disagree?
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    No. Public School is a forced attendance mandate. Our students are idiots. If they were already brilliant, they would not need education.

    Uniforms should be mandated and strict compliance to ethical and courteous behavior need to be enforced.

    The practices of our education system should outfit our students with knowledge and behaviors that prepare them to benefit the society and not be a burden upon it.

    In my case, Algebra was a waste of my time and that of the instructor. Checkbook balancing would have been useful to me.

    ANY of the social feel good classes or comments by the faculty members need be reserved to the clubs after school.

    Extending courtesy to ALL people should be taught from the first day to all students as a matter of daily conduct. This single measure would eliminate the ridiculous fragmentation of being inclusive to particular groups. We are all ONE GROUP!

    That should be the social lesson of our education system. Everything feel good, PC line of crap is divisive.
    The last time I heard this was during an explanation of the Hitler Youth.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I am not certified as a teacher and have never taught in a classroom setting. However I am a father who teaches his children and I do know what I want them to be taught and what I do not want them to be taught without my guidance. That is my job and role as a father. The only one who has even an equal say to mine when it comes to my kids is my wife, their mother. Anyone else can go to hell.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I am not certified as a teacher and have never taught in a classroom setting. However I am a father who teaches his children and I do know what I want them to be taught and what I do not want them to be taught without my guidance. That is my job and role as a father. The only one who has even an equal say to mine when it comes to my kids is my wife, their mother. Anyone else can go to hell.
    That will not change the public school curriculum.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    The last time I heard this was during an explanation of the Hitler Youth.
    Then you must have missed all the private schools we have ... unless you consider them all to be in line with Hitler Youth.

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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    Then you must have missed all the private schools we have ... unless you consider them all to be in line with Hitler Youth.
    The tone of that post was exactly as I described. I didn't miss a thing.
    My kids attend private schools and it is not that garbage in that ignorant post.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Look up in loco parentis.
    Yes, teachers may act as parents while the children are with them. But only to a degree. They cannot countermand a parents word or action unless they deem that word or action to be actually harmful to the child.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    That will not change the public school curriculum.
    I don't expect it to change the curriculum. I do expect them however to not assert their own personal political or religious views upon my children. If they do then there will be hell to pay.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I take it you disagree?
    Not so much disagree as recognize what you want is without a doubt beyond absurd and bears no relationship to the reality that goes on in schools every day of the year.

    For example, one of the things schools do is socialize children teaching them how to get along with others - both their peers and the adults who are in charge of them. This involves constant monitoring of each childs personal behavior and correction of it so they conform to the standards and rules of their environment. That involves judgments and assessments and it involves the application of values and discipline. That process is totally different that the mere recitation of facts.

    To pretend otherwise is to deny what a big part of education actually is - teaching children to live in a society with others and get along and know their place and their role in it.

    That goes way beyond the mere recitation of facts.
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    Re: Freedom of Speech in schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not so much disagree as recognize what you want is without a doubt beyond absurd and bears no relationship to the reality that goes on in schools every day of the year.

    For example, one of the things schools do is socialize children teaching them how to get along with others - both their peers and the adults who are in charge of them. This involves constant monitoring of each childs personal behavior and correction of it so they conform to the standards and rules of their environment. That involves judgments and assessments and it involves the application of values and discipline. That process is totally different that the mere recitation of facts.

    To pretend otherwise is to deny what a big part of education actually is - teaching children to live in a society with others and get along and know their place and their role in it.

    That goes way beyond the mere recitation of facts.
    They have rules of conduct that is enforced yes. But the rules are such that they leave very little to the imagination and as such subjectivity by the teacher is kept to a bare minimum.

    In any case all that you've done is taken it to the exact opposite of what I was talking about here. I specifically said "religious and political views or anything else subjective" should never be allowed. Not manners/politeness. The "anything else subjective" was obviously meant along the lines of similar veins of things that shouldn't be taught by teachers like religion and politics. You know, things like like feminism, white supremacy...etc etc etc. Things that I don't want my children taught. And remember, we're talking about the personal views of the teacher. Not facts. So teaching about feminism is fine. Putting in your personal beliefs about feminism is a no no.

    Obviously politics, religion, feminism, etc etc are going to be taught about. They're a part of our history and current events and processes now. I don't want the subjectivity about those taught. Just the facts.

    Understand now?
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