I have asked this here before: What happens (details) if we have a Constitutional Crisis? If the Administration manages to get Mueller removed what are the next steps in our government? I realize that this is speculation, but the term (Const. Crisis) has been bandied about for the last ten months or more. Was the Watergate event a C.C.?
Everyone appreciates your honesty, until you are honest with them. Then you are an asshole. George Carlin
Would it be un Constitutional to fire mueller? Not smart, maybe. But not legal?Originally Posted by Rexedgar
House would need to pass Articles of Impeachment, simple majority to send to the Senate. Then to the Senate as per link, 2/3rd plus 1 to pass an Article of Impeachment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac..._States#Senate
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Depiction of the impeachment trial of President Andrew Johnson, in 1868, Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase presiding.
The proceedings unfold in the form of a trial, with each side having the right to call witnesses and perform cross-examinations. The House members, who are given the collective title of managers during the course of the trial, present the prosecution case, and the impeached official has the right to mount a defense with his own attorneys as well. Senators must also take an oath or affirmation that they will perform their duties honestly and with due diligence. After hearing the charges, the Senate usually deliberates in private. The U.S. Constitution requires a two-thirds majority for conviction.
The Senate enters judgment on its decision, whether that be to convict or acquit, and a copy of the judgment is filed with the Secretary of State.[4] Upon conviction in the Senate, the official is automatically removed from office and may also be barred from holding future office.[5] The removed official is also liable to criminal prosecution. The President may not grant a pardon in the impeachment case, but may in any resulting criminal case.
A Constitutional crisis comes up when a problem arises that the Constitution cannot solve.
Trump has the authority to fire Mueller so there would be no Constitutional crisis. And even if he didn't he can removed from office. Now if he was impeached and removed and refused to go and used the army to back up his refusal that would be a Constitutional crisis.
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You’ve evidently done some thinking on the topic. Can you flesh it out a little more as it applies in today’s atmosphere? Sessions get moved somewhere else, a new AG is appointed (who is not recused), Rosenstein becomes a non factor, DJT gets his new AG to terminate Mueller, then what do you see happening?
When I was a kid, I remember a B&W film re: the impeachment of Andrew Johnson. In the final scene a Senator was carried in on a stretcher to cast the final ‘nay’ vote.
Everyone appreciates your honesty, until you are honest with them. Then you are an asshole. George Carlin
Vote in Democrats in 2018 and impeach the orange slimeball. Then clean house by impeaching the judicial nominees who walked through without being contested by the weak judicial approval process we are seeing in this current Congress.
My understanding is that DJT cannot directly terminate the Special Counsel, but has to go through the AG.
Everyone appreciates your honesty, until you are honest with them. Then you are an asshole. George Carlin
But, of course, there would most definitely be a constitutional crisis. Firing a guy in order to end an investigation that could put the President in legal jeopardy? Crisis, big time.
Well, he see this one particularly hot chick and not does she bag he slackjawed, but he lets a "Whoa" slip out
A political crisis. Not a constitutional one. He has the authority to fire Mueller and if the Congress disagrees and believes he's obstructed the investigation they have a Constitutional remedy - impeachment. The fact that they might not choose to pursue that remedy doesn't make it a Constitutional crisis.
Don't be a grammar nazi - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book 1 #7
Sessions ain't moving. He may be fired, but I do not see him moving.
As of today, not passing the House, if it did, would not pass in the Senate.
Now if charges were laid by Mueller, the variables change, against other senior members of Trumps Transition team, including family members, then and only then it might pass.
Trump is down to 32 % and this lessens the fear many R's have about Trump support in the 18 elections.
Just some thoughts
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