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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    My understanding is that DJT cannot directly terminate the Special Counsel, but has to go through the AG.
    That could be but practically it makes no difference. Sessions serves at Trumps pleasure and he can simply replace Sessions with someone who will fire Mueller.
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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    That could be but practically it makes no difference. Sessions serves at Trumps pleasure and he can simply replace Sessions with someone who will fire Mueller.
    But sessions recused himself in the Russia investigation. The deputy ag is in charge of firing Mueller at this point.
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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But sessions recused himself in the Russia investigation. The deputy ag is in charge of firing Mueller at this point.
    And, he stated that he will not. However, Trump could fire Sessions, replace him with someone who will fire Mueller. I hope he does. Because, that act will end his presidency.

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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    And, he stated that he will not. However, Trump could fire Sessions, replace him with someone who will fire Mueller. I hope he does. Because, that act will end his presidency.
    Who will get rid of him?

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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by MrPeanut View Post
    Who will get rid of him?
    The 2019 Congress, which, if numbers prove correct, will be majority D in both Houses.

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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    A political crisis. Not a constitutional one. He has the authority to fire Mueller and if the Congress disagrees and believes he's obstructed the investigation they have a Constitutional remedy - impeachment. The fact that they might not choose to pursue that remedy doesn't make it a Constitutional crisis.
    I think perhaps we're splitting semantic hairs here.

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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    And, he stated that he will not. However, Trump could fire Sessions, replace him with someone who will fire Mueller. I hope he does. Because, that act will end his presidency.
    Not going to work.

    That would only move Rosenstein to acting AG of the entire DOJ. Grassley and Graham have already stated they will not tolerate Trump firing Sessions as a trick to get rid of the special counsel.

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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    The crisis that we could face is this
    1- Trump fires Mueller and sets up obstacles effectively crippling the investigation
    2- Trump goes even further and issues pardons to many of his allies
    3- Republicans in Congress have a choice to make... do they turn against Trump for obstructing justice and making the rule of law a mockery or do they simply roll over like good house pets and make half hearted statements that he should not have done that but in reality actually do next to nothing in terms of real action?
    4- I suspect enough of them will do next to nothing and the real crisis then becomes when Trump realizes he is King and can do pretty much any thing he wants to do and there really no longer is any checks and balances on him.

    That begins the Constitutional crisis as we will have an autocrat in office without any effective check upon him from the Congress.
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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    I have asked this here before: What happens (details) if we have a Constitutional Crisis? If the Administration manages to get Mueller removed what are the next steps in our government? I realize that this is speculation, but the term (Const. Crisis) has been bandied about for the last ten months or more. Was the Watergate event a C.C.?
    In theory, Mueller could dispute his firing and a judge could order his reinstatement.

    Another possibility is that another special counsel will take Mueller's place, or the Congress could reinstate the independent counsel law, and the investigation would continue.

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    Re: Constitutional Crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    My understanding is that DJT cannot directly terminate the Special Counsel, but has to go through the AG.
    That's true. Judge Bork was the acting AG that fired the special prosecutor for Nixon after several above Bork in the AG's office refused to do so and resigned. This was the crisis known as the "Saturday Night Massacre".
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