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Why the Electoral College exists.

Lincoln won the popular vote.

In the final national vote count, Lincoln had 39.82 percent of the popular vote, but obtained 180 of the total of 303 electoral votes. Thus, he had decidedly been a minority candidate. He received the support of 1,865,908 voters, while 2,819,653 had voted for someone else.
 
In the final national vote count, Lincoln had 39.82 percent of the popular vote, but obtained 180 of the total of 303 electoral votes. Thus, he had decidedly been a minority candidate. He received the support of 1,865,908 voters, while 2,819,653 had voted for someone else.

He was the plurality candidate. In that he received more votes than any other candidate (by a healthy margin).

He won the popular vote. Suggesting he wouldn't have been elected without the EC is simply false.
 
He was the plurality candidate. In that he received more votes than any other candidate (by a healthy margin).

He won the popular vote. Suggesting he wouldn't have been elected without the EC is simply false.


Election Results

On November 6, 1860, voters went to the ballot box to cast their vote for President of the United States. Lincoln won the election in an electoral college landslide with 180 electoral votes, although he secured less than 40 percent of the popular vote.

The North had many more people than the South and therefore control of the electoral college. Lincoln dominated the Northern states but didn’t carry a single Southern state.

Douglas received some Northern support—12 electoral votes—but not nearly enough to offer a serious challenge to Lincoln. The Southern vote was split between Breckenridge who won 72 electoral votes and Bell who won 39 electoral votes. The split prevented either candidate from gaining enough votes to win the election.

The election of 1860 firmly established the Democratic and Republican parties as the majority parties in the United States. It also confirmed deep-seated views on slavery and states’ rights between the North and South.

Before Lincoln’s inauguration, eleven Southern states had seceded from the Union. Weeks after his swearing-in, the Confederate Army fired on Fort Sumter and started the Civil War.


Sources

1860 Presidential General Election Results. David Leip’s Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections.
Abraham Lincoln. Whitehouse.gov.
Constitutional Union Party. “No North, No South, No East, No West, Nothing but the Union.” National Park Service. U.S. Department of the Interior.
Constitutional Union Party. Texas State Historical Association.
Pre-Presidential Career 1830-1860. National Park Service. U.S. Department of the Interior.
Southern Democratic Party. Ohio History Central.
United States Presidential Election of 1860. Encyclopedia Virginia.
 
Cool, a text wall that doesn't address the point: Lincoln won the popular vote. Were there no electoral college, Lincoln still wins the presidency.

Unless the popular vote required 50%+1 like Louisiana requires, then we get to have a national runoff, oh goodie.
 
Any yet we all have a proper say.

Apparently you are not intelligent enough to understand.

Actually, we have no say. Your so called leaders are chosen for you by elite who own you. The people of the US are just slaves and too stupid to realize it.
 
Actually, we have no say. Your so called leaders are chosen for you by elite who own you. The people of the US are just slaves and too stupid to realize it.

And how do we stop being "slaves?"
 
At the beginning of this thread I talked about how the States were their own sovereigns. That we were not really "one whole country". But a country with several States bound together for mutual defense...just like any other country that bands together for mutual defense but still retained their sovereignty. A few said, essentially, that I was wrong. Well, today I found something that was my dads from when he was in 8th Grade. I've taken out my dads name. But I left in the name of the Congressman that signed this certificate.

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What say you now?
We used to have to recite that daily, just after the pledge, in my Catholic grammar school back in the day.

Thanks for the memories!

This was first thing in morning, immediately after morning prayers. The nuns may have been patriotic, but when it came to God & country, they made no bones about God coming first! :mrgreen:
 
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