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    Article 5 Convention of the States

    Some of you are familiar with this I'm sure.

    I've been opposed to it to this point, feeling it was too risky and that we could not be sure what we would get out of such a convention.


    I've changed my mind. We're past the point where the system-as-is can be reformed without drastic measures, and the current polarization is severely damaging our sense of self as a nation united. The Fedgov will not reform or reduce its power in and of its own action; may not be capable of it.

    The States however, may have the power.

    We're at a point where both sides fear the other side holding power in DC to an unprecedented degree, a time when liberties some consider essential can hang in the balance of a single SCOTUS appointment.

    The Fedgov was never supposed to be so powerful.

    We can continue to live where the 51% dictate to the 49%, who become more miserable, resentful and rebellious as it progresses (and it will get worse, gov's exist to gather more power to themselves) or we can make changes.

    If we continue as we are, we're like a pressure cooker with the heat dialing up.

    I've decided to support the Article V Convention as an alternative to ongoing disaster.

    https://www.conventionofstates.com/

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some of you are familiar with this I'm sure.

    I've been opposed to it to this point, feeling it was too risky and that we could not be sure what we would get out of such a convention.


    I've changed my mind. We're past the point where the system-as-is can be reformed without drastic measures, and the current polarization is severely damaging our sense of self as a nation united. The Fedgov will not reform or reduce its power in and of its own action; may not be capable of it.

    The States however, may have the power.

    We're at a point where both sides fear the other side holding power in DC to an unprecedented degree, a time when liberties some consider essential can hang in the balance of a single SCOTUS appointment.

    The Fedgov was never supposed to be so powerful.

    We can continue to live where the 51% dictate to the 49%, who become more miserable, resentful and rebellious as it progresses (and it will get worse, gov's exist to gather more power to themselves) or we can make changes.

    If we continue as we are, we're like a pressure cooker with the heat dialing up.

    I've decided to support the Article V Convention as an alternative to ongoing disaster.

    https://www.conventionofstates.com/
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Glad you've come around. I hope I at least played some small role in your change of heart.

    I wasn't aware there was an actual movement to do it before you brought it up, so yeah.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some of you are familiar with this I'm sure.

    I've been opposed to it to this point, feeling it was too risky and that we could not be sure what we would get out of such a convention.


    I've changed my mind. We're past the point where the system-as-is can be reformed without drastic measures, and the current polarization is severely damaging our sense of self as a nation united. The Fedgov will not reform or reduce its power in and of its own action; may not be capable of it.

    The States however, may have the power.

    We're at a point where both sides fear the other side holding power in DC to an unprecedented degree, a time when liberties some consider essential can hang in the balance of a single SCOTUS appointment.

    The Fedgov was never supposed to be so powerful.

    We can continue to live where the 51% dictate to the 49%, who become more miserable, resentful and rebellious as it progresses (and it will get worse, gov's exist to gather more power to themselves) or we can make changes.

    If we continue as we are, we're like a pressure cooker with the heat dialing up.

    I've decided to support the Article V Convention as an alternative to ongoing disaster.

    https://www.conventionofstates.com/
    Good post! I'm sure many people feel similarly.

    I've been watching all of the Article V organizations for about 7 years. I tried to dialog with any, about constitutional intent, none would. I became suspicious.

    Then in 2014 Mark Levin spoke at a conference in Manhattan, I became sure of my suspicions. I document the entirety of what I believe I've found good evidence for here.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some of you are familiar with this I'm sure.

    I've been opposed to it to this point, feeling it was too risky and that we could not be sure what we would get out of such a convention.


    I've changed my mind. We're past the point where the system-as-is can be reformed without drastic measures, and the current polarization is severely damaging our sense of self as a nation united. The Fedgov will not reform or reduce its power in and of its own action; may not be capable of it.

    The States however, may have the power.

    We're at a point where both sides fear the other side holding power in DC to an unprecedented degree, a time when liberties some consider essential can hang in the balance of a single SCOTUS appointment.

    The Fedgov was never supposed to be so powerful.

    We can continue to live where the 51% dictate to the 49%, who become more miserable, resentful and rebellious as it progresses (and it will get worse, gov's exist to gather more power to themselves) or we can make changes.

    If we continue as we are, we're like a pressure cooker with the heat dialing up.

    I've decided to support the Article V Convention as an alternative to ongoing disaster.

    https://www.conventionofstates.com/
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some of you are familiar with this I'm sure.

    I've been opposed to it to this point, feeling it was too risky and that we could not be sure what we would get out of such a convention.


    I've changed my mind. We're past the point where the system-as-is can be reformed without drastic measures, and the current polarization is severely damaging our sense of self as a nation united. The Fedgov will not reform or reduce its power in and of its own action; may not be capable of it.

    The States however, may have the power.

    We're at a point where both sides fear the other side holding power in DC to an unprecedented degree, a time when liberties some consider essential can hang in the balance of a single SCOTUS appointment.

    The Fedgov was never supposed to be so powerful.

    We can continue to live where the 51% dictate to the 49%, who become more miserable, resentful and rebellious as it progresses (and it will get worse, gov's exist to gather more power to themselves) or we can make changes.

    If we continue as we are, we're like a pressure cooker with the heat dialing up.

    I've decided to support the Article V Convention as an alternative to ongoing disaster.

    https://www.conventionofstates.com/
    Puts an awful lot of faith in both the legislators and citizens. You been to Walmart lately? One of the benefits of senior citizenship and no direct heirs. You young’uns better get it figured out! That and the environment/climate issue! Take that, Jack Hays!
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    These conversations always remind me of a song -



    I'm not sure that there is any chance of peaceful resolution to the ideologies which divide us.
    Unfortunately, I think you are correct......
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    I want to see a convention of states in my lifetime.

    We are at a tipping point where the cities want to call the shots for the rest of the country by the popular vote, and the DC politicians runs ragged around the constitution as it is.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some of you are familiar with this I'm sure.

    I've been opposed to it to this point, feeling it was too risky and that we could not be sure what we would get out of such a convention.


    I've changed my mind. We're past the point where the system-as-is can be reformed without drastic measures, and the current polarization is severely damaging our sense of self as a nation united. The Fedgov will not reform or reduce its power in and of its own action; may not be capable of it.

    The States however, may have the power.

    We're at a point where both sides fear the other side holding power in DC to an unprecedented degree, a time when liberties some consider essential can hang in the balance of a single SCOTUS appointment.

    The Fedgov was never supposed to be so powerful.

    We can continue to live where the 51% dictate to the 49%, who become more miserable, resentful and rebellious as it progresses (and it will get worse, gov's exist to gather more power to themselves) or we can make changes.

    If we continue as we are, we're like a pressure cooker with the heat dialing up.

    I've decided to support the Article V Convention as an alternative to ongoing disaster.

    https://www.conventionofstates.com/
    This is why this approach will never succeed:

    2. Ratification of any proposed amendment requires the approval of 38 states. It only takes 13 states to vote no to defeat any proposed amendment, and the chances of 38 state legislatures approving a rogue amendment are effectively zero.

    https://www.conventionofstates.com/succeed
    The changes this group wants to make would be opposed by every Elite of every Party, by the Mainstream Media and by their talking potato heads. This group would never be able to muster 38 state legislatures to vote for their changes.

    And then, there is this: On one hand, this group says this: "1. There is a clear, strong single-subject precedent that would almost certainly be declared binding in the event of a court challenge." But, on the other hand, they list 4 problems they want to address. So, which is it? Are they shooting for a clear, strong single-subject to address? Or do they want to address 4 subjects? If it's 4 subjects, that opens the possibility of adding a 5th, 6th, etc. Maybe they want to have FOUR Article 5 Conventions?

    No...I don't think we are ready for this.
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