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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    And so effectively the states would rewrite the constitution?
    Yes, and any convention is most likely going to be highly partisan in favor of one political ideology.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

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    And so effectively the states would rewrite the constitution?


    Amendments, not a re-write.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

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    Yes, and any convention is most likely going to be highly partisan in favor of one political ideology.


    Actually highly "partisan" in favor of reducing Fed power in favor of a more reasonable balance in State power. Your home state would still be free to be a liberal as it wished.... probably even more so than under current conditions.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually highly "partisan" in favor of reducing Fed power in favor of a more reasonable balance in State power. Your home state would still be free to be a liberal as it wished.... probably even more so than under current conditions.
    One of my hopes is that democrats retake enough state legislatures in order to prevent such a convention from occurring.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    One of my hopes is that democrats retake enough state legislatures in order to prevent such a convention from occurring.


    Does that mean you're ok with the 51% dictating to the 49%, using the bloated and overbearing power of the Fedgov, regardless of the wishes of the 49%? Do you think that because you feel sure you'll be in the 51% consistently from now forward?


    I'd prefer people were free to choose, by voting with their feet, what kind of State they want to live in, without having to leave the entire country to do it.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually highly "partisan" in favor of reducing Fed power in favor of a more reasonable balance in State power. Your home state would still be free to be a liberal as it wished.... probably even more so than under current conditions.
    If there's one thing I've learned from living in the south, it's that State government can be as tyrannical (sometimes more so) as federal power, so I'm not too keen to trade the monster we know in place of a monster we don't know.

    I understand the need to reduce federal power. But I think that's best served with grassroots movements; be they conservative, libertarian, or liberal.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Yes, and any convention is most likely going to be highly partisan in favor of one political ideology.
    How so?
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Does that mean you're ok with the 51% dictating to the 49%, using the bloated and overbearing power of the Fedgov, regardless of the wishes of the 49%? Do you think that because you feel sure you'll be in the 51% consistently from now forward?


    I'd prefer people were free to choose, by voting with their feet, what kind of State they want to live in, without having to leave the entire country to do it.
    I am liberal and I am not interested in Any convention that is the brain child of 37 conservative States. You want an article 5 convention? Then make it be bipartisan.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I've decided to support the Article V Convention as an alternative to ongoing disaster.
    Is there a way to laugh heartily, while still respecting the individual making the proposition?

    Let's face it. The primary reason why we have a strong federal government is because citizens want a strong federal government. They want a strong military. They want Social Security. They want Medicare and Medicaid. They want a national Veterans' Administration. They want abortion to be legal or illegal across the entire nation. They want same-sex marriage to be legal or illegal across the entire nation. They adore national parks, and flock to them by the millions. They want to be able to move from one state to the next, without having to do much more than fill out a change of address form and spend a few hours at the DMV. Businesses want to be able to use a single currency, and rely as much as possible on a single set of laws.

    Nor have things gone very well when the states asserted primacy. The history of states' rights is also the history of slavery, secession, treason, segregation, racism and hatred. The assertion of state sovereignty is forever tainted by the causes that invoked it.

    The Articles of Confederation failed. A strong federal government is required. It's what the citizens want. You might want to keep that in mind, when considering the consequences of calling an Article V convention....
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by MovingPictures View Post
    If there's one thing I've learned from living in the south, it's that State government can be as tyrannical (sometimes more so) as federal power, so I'm not too keen to trade the monster we know in place of a monster we don't know.

    I understand the need to reduce federal power. But I think that's best served with grassroots movements; be they conservative, libertarian, or liberal.


    It is certainly possible yes. But the States are more limited, and your ultimate recourse is move elsewhere.... without having to learn a new language to get far enough away....

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