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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What to do when the convention is called?

    Unless I am tapped as a delegate, which is improbable, I expect I'll be holding my breath and hoping for the best like everyone else.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    I tend to agree with Mycroft. I am skeptical that the same group of clowns that have brought us the patriot act, the AUMF, the NDAA amendments nullifying Habeas, the drug war and so many other horrors would be able to successfully and conscientiously amend the constitution so that our founding principles would remain.

    IMO it is not the document itself that has us where we are, but rather the humans in charge who have ignored or even attacked the spirit and letter of the law.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post

    No...I don't think we are ready for this.
    This is likely what many were saying before the revolutionary war.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Unless I am tapped as a delegate, which is improbable, I expect I'll be holding my breath and hoping for the best like everyone else.
    What do you want to see happen?
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What do you want to see happen?

    Ideally? I'd like to see A1 S8 re-affirmed as a limit to Fed power, and the balance of power between Fed and State restored to something approaching original intent, and something to re-affirm the BoR in a similar fashion. A balanced-budget amendment would be nice also. And end to Fed income tax would be nice but that's pretty unlikely.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    This is likely what many were saying before the revolutionary war.
    Perhaps...but then the bullets started flying around.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some of you are familiar with this I'm sure.

    I've been opposed to it to this point, feeling it was too risky and that we could not be sure what we would get out of such a convention.


    I've changed my mind. We're past the point where the system-as-is can be reformed without drastic measures, and the current polarization is severely damaging our sense of self as a nation united. The Fedgov will not reform or reduce its power in and of its own action; may not be capable of it.

    The States however, may have the power.

    We're at a point where both sides fear the other side holding power in DC to an unprecedented degree, a time when liberties some consider essential can hang in the balance of a single SCOTUS appointment.

    The Fedgov was never supposed to be so powerful.

    We can continue to live where the 51% dictate to the 49%, who become more miserable, resentful and rebellious as it progresses (and it will get worse, gov's exist to gather more power to themselves) or we can make changes.

    If we continue as we are, we're like a pressure cooker with the heat dialing up.

    I've decided to support the Article V Convention as an alternative to ongoing disaster.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    I tend to agree with Mycroft. I am skeptical that the same group of clowns that have brought us the patriot act, the AUMF, the NDAA amendments nullifying Habeas, the drug war and so many other horrors would be able to successfully and conscientiously amend the constitution so that our founding principles would remain.

    IMO it is not the document itself that has us where we are, but rather the humans in charge who have ignored or even attacked the spirit and letter of the law.


    Not them. The States.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Perhaps...but then the bullets started flying around.
    This solution is preferable to bullets.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention of the States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not them. The States.
    And so effectively the states would rewrite the constitution?

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