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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisABrown View Post
    Uh oh, evasion. We get down to fundaments.

    If the framers intended for Americans to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights through Article 5, what did they intend to serve the PURPOSE of enabling the unity required for state Citizens to effectively alter or abolish through their states if it was not free speech?
    Speech and religion, metaphysical expression, are part of the socially natural right to expression.

    I'm not sure where yours and my understanding of natural rights and the purpose of the Constitution differ.

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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Speech and religion, metaphysical expression, are part of the socially natural right to expression.

    I'm not sure where yours and my understanding of natural rights and the purpose of the Constitution differ.
    The Declaration of Independence provides the intent of the constitution defining a natural right to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable right. And the constitution turns that into law with Article V having an orderly method through the states.

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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Speech and religion, metaphysical expression, are part of the socially natural right to expression.

    I'm not sure where yours and my understanding of natural rights and the purpose of the Constitution differ.
    The Declaration of Independence provides the intent of the constitution defining a natural right to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable right. And the constitution turns that into law with Article V having an orderly method through the states.

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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The Constitution was created to protect the nation from governmental violation of inalienable, socially natural, rights - life, expression and self defense.
    That is not an acceptance of these definitions of the most prime constitutional intents.

    1) We have the right to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.

    2) If the framers intended for Americans to alter or abolish then they intended that Americans use the ultimate PURPOSE of free speech to enable our unity under law in order to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.

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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisABrown View Post
    No you did not. And I quoted it last post. Answer now please.

    Please explain what the framers intended to serve the purpose of creating the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish if it was not free speech.
    Cordy, you are not being accountable and showing that you support an agreement that state Citizens can use to defend and enforce the constitution.

    What great sacrifice do you suffer from agreeing and accepting that the framers intended for free speech to serve the purpose of enabling the unity to effectively alter or abolish? What keeps you from simply accepting that free speech as our natural law has that purpose, and it is ultimate, because without your unalienable rights, you do not exist.

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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisABrown
    Answer now please.

    Please explain what the framers intended to serve the purpose of creating the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish if it was not free speech.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisABrown View Post
    Oops my mistake. I meant the 2nd Amendment, but you got it.

    But otherwise you are totally wrong because you have not explained how Americans are to defend the constitution. That is what matters.

    Please explain what the framers intended to serve the purpose of creating the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish if it was not free speech.
    What reason do you have vissy for not answering? Where is your accountability?

    What great sacrifice do you suffer from agreeing and accepting that the framers intended for free speech to serve the purpose of enabling the unity to effectively alter or abolish? What keeps you from simply accepting that free speech as our natural law has that purpose, and it is ultimate, because without your unalienable rights, you do not exist.

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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    Hmm, poster here cannot accept definition of constitutional intent that defends and enforces the constitution, but pretends to understand it. While also not coming up with a way for the people to unify effectively in defense or enforcement of the constitution. Will not accept these definitions which do enable such defense and enforcement.

    1) We have the right to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.

    2) If the framers intended for Americans to alter or abolish then they intended that the ultimate PURPOSE of free speech be to enable Americans to unify under law in order to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.

    Critical thinking anyone?* Does the term cognitive infiltration mean anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    The 9A has nothing whatsoever to do with purposes of enumerated rights. Purposes are not even remotely required in order for a right to be protected. Most of the Bill of Rights mentions no purpose at all.
    The above is cognitively implying that rights have no purpose. Their purposes are defined by common knowledge! Tyrants love the notion that rights have no purpose so can then be logically disregarded, and if anybody will accept that argument, tyrants will be delighted.


    ~~~Ninth Amendment - Unenumerated Rights

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. ~~~


    Below Vissy changes the term that I use, "right of life" to "right to life," which is a term used by anti abortion activists. This is done to try and associate defense of our rights with a controversy in quagmire of marginalization.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    "right to life,"
    The agent is "repackaging" my position.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    freedom of expression in order to allow the violent overthrow of the existing government.
    Vissy was asked to show where I advocate "violent overthrow", but could not show that because it was never written.

    "Repackaging" is the term for this in the industry of cognitive infiltration, which includes the absurd implication that rights do not have purpose, OR, discarding that it it is completely up to the people to define their purposes, which is not to be denied or disparaged. Vissy does it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    freedom of expression? It doesn't need a purpose.
    Stated as if it doesn't have one, or does not have an ultimate purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Are you suggesting that the Framers intended for Americans to actually overthrow the government,
    Alter or abolish are not "overthrow", they are corrective and orderly as laid out in Article V.* Vissy tries to prevent any change at all through any means except the political system which is dynamically hijacked. Tyrants love it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    As to Article V, you do understand that it does not legitimize the full rejection of the Constitution?
    And what is presented is exactly what Article V is about, states proposing amendments, then ratifying them, not congress. The constitution accommodates that event.

    EXCERPT OF ARTICLE V
    in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof

    What I advocate, and the framers do also, when congress will not call a convention is this clause, "or by conventions in three fourths thereof". The states simply act without congress, and this is logical if the constitution is to stand because congress has been in violation and the congress for over 100 years regarding the calling of a convention.

    So expecting any accountability at all from an agent is kind of silly, but a real and sincere American would at least answer this.

    What great sacrifice do you suffer from agreeing and accepting that the framers intended for free speech to serve the purpose of enabling the unity to effectively alter or abolish? What keeps you from simply accepting that free speech as our natural law has that purpose, and it is ultimate, because without your unalienable rights, you do not exist.
    Last edited by ChrisABrown; 11-10-17 at 01:28 PM.

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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    The DOI came in 1776, next major action was the Articles of Confederation and then our present constitution. And we recognize this as good progress in our history. The spirit of liberty and justice helped us get to having a government of the people, where everything the government did was open to public scrutiny.

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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    The DOI came in 1776, next major action was the Articles of Confederation and then our present constitution. And we recognize this as good progress in our history. The spirit of liberty and justice helped us get to having a government of the people, where everything the government did was open to public scrutiny.
    Yes, open to public scrutiny. A trait we must preserve.

    What history does not record, is that the rights presented in the DOI, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, are actually only 30% of a much larger, inclusive and profound doctrine called the "Greater Meaning Of Free Speech".

    The "Greater Meaning Of Free Speech" is or was, an actual, practiced philosophical doctrine by the Six Nation Iroquois Confederacy, specifically the Seneca. The "meaning" is derived from an understanding that can come from the practice of free speech. From the understanding can come; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


    The Tories were probably paying people in the society, peers of the framers, to oppose the full doctrine because it would tend to make the people too strong with their independence and the country more difficult, or impossible to take over secretly.

    As it was, Lincolns efforts to use Article V to stop the war was defeated by the press who was paid off by the banking/armorer cartel that financed the union army, to NOT print his speeches so population centers of cities, controlling state legislations, did not know of his plan.

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    Re: The Ultimate Purpose Of The Right To Free Speech - Re-established through the 9th AMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    I'm new here, so I certainly can't speak for the forum... but for speaking for myself, I haven't really commented on this thread because I haven't really figured out exactly what you're trying to say.
    Hmm, and you pretend to not understand definition of the most prime constitutional intent as well.

    1) We have the right to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.

    2) If the framers intended for Americans to alter or abolish then they intended that free speech have the ultimate PURPOSE of enabling our unity under law needed to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.

    And then Cordy can't answer this simple question.

    If the framers intended for Americans to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights through Article 5, what did they intend to serve the PURPOSE of enabling the unity required for state Citizens to effectively alter or abolish through their states if it was not free speech?

    And Cordy won't even explain why.

    What great sacrifice do you suffer from agreeing and accepting that the framers intended for free speech to serve the purpose of enabling the unity to effectively alter or abolish? What keeps you from simply accepting that free speech as our natural law has the ultimate PURPOSE of enabling our unity

    Members and mods should consider this a demonstration of what cognitive infiltration looks like. Pretending to not understand, misrepresenting, selectivity and unaccountability are clear indicators. A normal sincere person will not go this far with out done accountability.

    And it's not like covert groups of agents infiltrating is not documented.

    Obama confidant?s spine-chilling proposal - Salon.com

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...-manipulation/

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se...c_document.pdf

    British spy agency taps cables, shares with NSA: Guardian | Reuters "For decades, the NSA and GCHQ have worked as close partners, sharing intelligence under an arrangement known as the UKUSA agreement. They also collaborate with eavesdropping agencies in Canada, Australia and New Zealand under an arrangement known as the "Five Eyes" alliance."


    And, the Koch bros also have recruiting and training programs for this as well.

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