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Liar and Thief

So basically most black Americans are more American then you?

So move to Germany Trump it's different today dumb ass and they don't like your kind.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
So spin this one GOP as the liar in chief has just disrespected our military on a whole other level.
But of course none of you care how sick can you be?

Multiple families of military service members killed in the line duty are now getting rush-delivered letters from President Donald Trump, days after Trump claimed he had called the immediate families of all service members who had been killed since he took office in January. Definition of liar

:a person who tells lies has a reputation as a liar
Report: White House Rushed Condolences To Gold Star Families | HuffPost

Either he is bipolar or just lies way to damn much the time to start that
Impeachment process.
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Until you actually mentioned the President by name I couldn't tell if you were talking about Obama, Clinton, or Trump. Democrats are finally beginning to grasp what it is like to have a draft-dodger as President. Whereas the Republicans have had that experience since Clinton was elected in 1992, as the first draft-dodging President.
 
Glitch said:
Until you actually mentioned the President by name I couldn't tell if you were talking about Obama, Clinton, or Trump. Democrats are finally beginning to grasp what it is like to have a draft-dodger as President. Whereas the Republicans have had that experience since Clinton was elected in 1992, as the first draft-dodging President.
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Ok you have convinced me Trump is the greatest president ever and what a great administration God bless maga.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
Ok you have convinced me Trump is the greatest president ever and what a great administration God bless maga.
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Ok my sarcasm has run it's course this guy is an absolute baby so he whom lies on damn near everyone whom disagrees with his crap... Has to be a baby because the speaker of the house said something he didn't like. So you clam to care about the American people and his words... And he can get this past in 15mins... Then conduct the damn meeting you liar.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
Ok my sarcasm has run it's course this guy is an absolute baby so he whom lies on damn near everyone whom disagrees with his crap... Has to be a baby because the speaker of the house said something he didn't like. So you clam to care about the American people and his words... And he can get this past in 15mins... Then conduct the damn meeting you liar.
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So how is Trump different from any other lying politician? You clearly don't have any prior experience with politicians.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
Ok you have convinced me Trump is the greatest president ever and what a great administration God bless maga.
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What Glitch has actually done is illustrate to you that Trump is not some unique President with faults or that lies...
 
DaveFagan said:
A politician and a liar. What a coinky-dink, eh? Who'd a thunk it?
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To compare Trump the pathological liar to any other politician is absurd. Weakest defense ever.
 
Glitch said:
So how is Trump different from any other lying politician? You clearly don't have any prior experience with politicians.
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That's what I'm saying.
Trump comes across as a caricature of the stereotype of the corrupt politician.

Too many of his supporters think he's somehow distinct from the rest of the politicians.
That difference some Trump supporters see between Trump and so many other politicians is part of Trump's appeal.

I don't see it though.
Trump seems to vary only by degree, not type.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
That's what I'm saying.
Trump comes across as a caricature of the stereotype of the corrupt politician.

Too many of his supporters think he's somehow distinct from the rest of the politicians.
That difference some Trump supporters see between Trump and so many other politicians is part of Trump's appeal.

I don't see it though.
Trump seems to vary only by degree, not type.
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Trump deliberately lied to be elected, refuses to uphold his campaign promises, and lies through his teeth on a daily basis. In other words, Trump is absolutely no different than Obama, Bush, Clinton, or any other prior President.

The problem the left has is their tenuous grip on reality. They continue to delude themselves how wonderful the Obama administration was, and when they see Trump dismantling parts of it they go ape-sh*t insane. What they fail to comprehend is that Trump is also preserving parts of Obama's legacy. Including Obama's illegal and unconstitutional legacy, like DACA.

Trump supporters will, naturally, completely ignore Trump's deliberate lies and his failure to keep his promises. So they are as delusional as the insane left.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do if we hired him, that rates a win for honesty given the long history of those who did not, Obama especially.
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Exactly what he said? Where's Mexico's wall payment?
 
apdst said:
Especially since there are no grounds for impeachment.

No matter what Waters says, the law isn't whatever Congress "says it is".
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Not even wrong, horrifically wrong. What is a high crime and misdemeanor? Please define it. Oh, you can't...because there is no definition, it is whatever Congress decides it is.
 
mrjurrs said:
Not even wrong, horrifically wrong. What is a high crime and misdemeanor? Please define it. Oh, you can't...because there is no definition, it is whatever Congress decides it is.
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Congress can't pass a law, then charge someone under that law. That's called ex post facto law and The Constitution specifically forbids it:

Article 1, Section 9

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
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So, no, Congress can't make it up as they go.
 
apdst said:
Congress can't pass a law, then charge someone under that law. That's called ex post facto law and The Constitution specifically forbids it:

So, no, Congress can't make it up as they go.
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That never stopped Democrats before. In 1994 the Demcorat-controlled Congress enacted the largest federal income tax increase in US history. To add insult to injury, they made the law retroactive to include the tax year 1993.

Or Democrats will do what they did in California, enacting a law banning a product and then fail to include a grandfather clause. Effectively making the law retroactive.

So do not be surprised when Democrats in the House propose yet another unconstitutional law. It is what they do all the time.
 
Impeachment is not a criminal process, so the high crimes and misdemeanors do not have to be criminal acts.
 
mrjurrs said:
Impeachment is not a criminal process, so the high crimes and misdemeanors do not have to be criminal acts.
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Actually, they do have to be criminal acts. That is what "high crimes and misdemeanors" means. You don't get to impeach a President simply because you don't like them. You must present evidence of criminal wrong-doing. Clinton was impeached for Obstruction of Justice and Perjury. Both are criminal acts.
 
Glitch said:
Actually, they do have to be criminal acts. That is what "high crimes and misdemeanors" means. You don't get to impeach a President simply because you don't like them. You must present evidence of criminal wrong-doing. Clinton was impeached for Obstruction of Justice and Perjury. Both are criminal acts.
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There are at least two threads already devoted to proving that misconception wrong, my friend. In short, "high crimes and misdemeanors" is "misconduct while in office". It need not be a statutory crime, nor does it have to be proved "beyond a reasonable doubt". The "high" refers to "high office". The concept is that high officials must be beyond reproach. If you check the history of impeachments, you would learn that Nixon, for example was accused of "abuse of office". Find that in the criminal code. (Hint: it's not there.)
 
NWRatCon said:
There are at least two threads already decided to proving that wrong, my friend. In short, "high crimes and misdemeanors" is "misconduct while in office". It needs be a statutory crime, nor does it have to be proved "beyond a reasonable doubt". The "high" refers to "high office". The concept is that high officials must be beyond reproach. If you check the history of impeachments, you would learn that Nixon, for example was accused of "abuse of office". Find that in the criminal code.
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"High crimes and misdemeanors" are criminal acts. At no time has any President ever been impeached for something that didn't involve a violation of the law.

The House impeached President Johnson on 3 of 11 counts of violating the Tenure of Office Act. The Senate failed to convict by one vote.
The House impeached President Clinton on 2 of 4 Articles of Impeachment against him, Obstruction of Justice before the Grand Jury, and Perjury in the Paula Jones trial. The Senate failed to convict on the Obstruction of Justice Article by 12 votes, and the Perjury Article by 22 votes.

Since Nixon was never impeached it was a poor example to use.
 
Glitch said:
"High crimes and misdemeanors" are criminal acts. At no time has any President ever been impeached for something that didn't involve a violation of the law.

The House impeached President Johnson on 3 of 11 counts of violating the Tenure of Office Act. The Senate failed to convict by one vote.
The House impeached President Clinton on 2 of 4 Articles of Impeachment against him, Obstruction of Justice before the Grand Jury, and Perjury in the Paula Jones trial. The Senate failed to convict on the Obstruction of Justice Article by 12 votes, and the Perjury Article by 22 votes.

Since Nixon was never impeached it was a poor example to use.
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I cannot penetrate that thick hide of yours, my friend, and I am now going to stop trying. YOU ARE WRONG. You are very, very wrong, you are incredibly wrong, and you won't make the effort to educate yourself. You are stubbornly wrong. That is very disheartening.
 
NWRatCon said:
I cannot penetrate that thick hide of yours, my friend, and I am now going to stop trying. YOU ARE WRONG. You are very, very wrong, you are incredibly wrong, and you won't make the effort to educate yourself. You are stubbornly wrong. That is very disheartening.
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Typical leftist. Just because you erroneously imagine I'm wrong doesn't make it reality. I cited specific cases of impeached Presidents, and the specific crimes for which they were impeached. You have failed to show a single President being impeached for something that was not a criminal act. Abuse of Power was also an Article of Impeachment for Clinton, but he was never impeached under that Article. Clinton and Johnson were both impeached for violating the law, and nothing else.
 
Typical right-wing response, labeling me a leftist, as if that had meaning. ;) I'm serious, my friend, educate yourself. Let me give you some resources - they're all public. Prove to me that you are not a one-note ideologue.

List of Individuals Impeached by the House of Representatives.
High Crimes and Misdemeanors (Constitutional Rights Foundation).
THE SCOPE OF THE IMPEACHMENT POWER: WHAT ARE “HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS”? (The Constitution Center).
Impeachment: The Constitution’s Fiduciary Meaning of “High . . . Misdemeanors” (Federalist Society).
Impeachable Offenses (Justia).
Meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" (Constitution Society):
Under the English common law tradition, crimes were defined through a legacy of court proceedings and decisions that punished offenses not because they were prohibited by statutes, but because they offended the sense of justice of the people and the court. Whether an offense could qualify as punishable depended largely on the obligations of the offender, and the obligations of a person holding a high position meant that some actions, or inactions, could be punishable if he did them, even though they would not be if done by an ordinary person.
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Pick your source, right, left - or neither. You'll learn the same thing.
 
Glitch said:
In other words, Trump is absolutely no different than Obama, Bush, Clinton, or any other prior President.
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I don't recall any other modern US presidential candidate refusing to release his tax returns or ignoring an assist by Russian election meddling.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I don't recall any other modern US presidential candidate refusing to release his tax returns or ignoring an assist by Russian election meddling.
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That is because no other prior President was a civilian before being elected, except for George Washington. All other prior Presidents have been life-long career politicians. Which meant that their financial information was already a matter of public record. Civilians do not have their personal financial information published publicly.

As soon as Trump was elected he became a politician. Meaning all of his financial records after he was sworn in January 2017 are now a matter of public record. However, everything prior to January 2017 remains private.
 
Glitch said:
That is because no other prior President was a civilian before being elected, except for George Washington. All other prior Presidents have been life-long career politicians. Which meant that their financial information was already a matter of public record. Civilians do not have their personal financial information published publicly.
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So this paper-thin dodge excuses Trump from election tradition and transparency? Gotcha.

Why didn't Trump place his business empire into a true blind trust?
 
Rogue Valley said:
So this paper-thin dodge excuses Trump from election tradition and transparency? Gotcha.

Why didn't Trump place his business empire into a true blind trust?
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"Paper-thin dodge?" You mean the Fourth Amendment? The amendment that protects "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures?" You mean THAT "paper-thin dodge?"

I cannot say that I am surprised that the mentally deranged left puts so little value on the rights of the people, it is a common theme repeated throughout history.
 
Glitch said:
"Paper-thin dodge?" You mean the Fourth Amendment? The amendment that protects "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures?" You mean THAT "paper-thin dodge?"
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Why didn't all the other presidential candidates and their running mates (including Pence) since Nixon also hide behind the Fourth Amendment? They didn't need to perhaps?

Glitch said:
I cannot say that I am surprised that the mentally deranged left puts so little value on the rights of the people, it is a common theme repeated throughout history.
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I've voted both Republican and Democrat. Try a different ad hom. I also note that you dodged the blind trust question. No surprise there.
 
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