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Liar and Thief

Greenbeard said:
Guess again, bud. The ACA passed the Senate with 60 votes.

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It may have passed the Senate with 60 votes, but that vote wasn't the one that enacted the bill into law. Because of the changes Sen Reid made, that Senate vote kicked the bill back to the House for the final vote that would make it into law: 219 voted in favor, 212 voted against, which equals 50.8%.

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H.R. 3590 (111th): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- House Vote #165 -- Mar 21, 2010

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Glitch said:
It may have passed the Senate with 60 votes, but that vote wasn't the one that enacted the bill into law. Because of the changes Sen Reid made, that Senate vote kicked the bill back to the House for the final vote that would make it into law: 219 voted in favor, 212 voted against, which equals 50.8%.

www.govtrack.us

H.R. 3590 (111th): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- House Vote #165 -- Mar 21, 2010

This is the Senate's health care bill. The bill started off with text regarding an unrelated matter but the Senate is co-opted this bill as a vehicle for passage of …
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Bills become law when both chambers of Congress pass the exact same piece of legislation and the President signs it. The ACA passed the Senate with a filibuster-proof 60 votes and, as you point out, it passed the House (which has no filibuster) with 219 votes. The ACA was not a budget reconciliation bill.
 
Greenbeard said:
Bills become law when both chambers of Congress pass the exact same piece of legislation and the President signs it. The ACA passed the Senate with a filibuster-proof 60 votes and, as you point out, it passed the House (which has no filibuster) with 219 votes. The ACA was not a budget reconciliation bill.
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Actually, it was treated as an appropriations bill. It passed the House first, then all 60 Democrats voted for it in the Senate AFTER Sen. Reid replaced the vast majority of the bill. Sen. Reids change meant the bill had to go back to the House to be voted on again, where it got 51% of the vote and could not be filibustered because it was treated as an appropriation bill under House rules.

I agree with you that ACA had absolutely nothing to do with the budget, or appropriations, but that never stopped the Democrats from treating it that way. You didn't expect Democrats to be honest, did you? That never happens obviously. Take the current election as an example.
 
Glitch said:
Actually, it was treated as an appropriations bill. It passed the House first, then all 60 Democrats voted for it in the Senate AFTER Sen. Reid replaced the vast majority of the bill. Sen. Reids change meant the bill had to go back to the House to be voted on again, where it got 51% of the vote and could not be filibustered because it was treated as an appropriation bill under House rules.

I agree with you that ACA had absolutely nothing to do with the budget, or appropriations, but that never stopped the Democrats from treating it that way. You didn't expect Democrats to be honest, did you? That never happens obviously. Take the current election as an example.
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The House doesn't have a filibuster.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
He has yet to take office. The difference once he is in it will perhaps be one of the most boring presidency in history. Things will get done wtf did trump do pass a tax cut for the rich big deal.
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I was more interested in the brokering of peace out east, than his tax cuts.
 
Glitch said:
I agree with you that ACA had absolutely nothing to do with the budget, or appropriations, but that never stopped the Democrats from treating it that way. You didn't expect Democrats to be honest, did you? That never happens obviously. Take the current election as an example.
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the current election is an example of republicans lying their arses off about election fraud that didn't exist to such an extent it pushed trumpists to engage in domestic terrorism.

Honesty demands a spotlight on both sides or else its just routine hypocritical partisan bullshit.
 
Rich2018 said:
I heard that after Wednesday's events, Mexico has decided to pay for the wall after all. Canada wants one too.
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we've already invested in 4 feet of border hedge and preliminary results are encouraging.
 
Jonsa said:
Deja vu all over again.
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He bears no responsibility for it - according to him

And his speech to the mob was totally appropriate - reminds you of his "Perfect" call to the Ukraine

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Trump refuses to resign and calls impeachment 'a witch hunt'

Trump spoke in public for the first time since the MAGA mob stormed the Capitol as he left the White House and called moves for his impeachment 'a witch hunt,' ignoring a question about resigning.
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God there's goiung to be a shed load of books about his disastrous presidency by Christmas.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
What are CNN's 15 most notable lies of the last 4 years?.....
Gosh way to many to break it down to just 15! CNN/DNC political hacks of the worst character. ;)
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CNN was not the leader of the free world anyways finally he goes and hopefully never runs again.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
Only 15?
CNN: The 15 most notable lies of Donald Trump's presidency.
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Analysis: The 15 most notable lies of Donald Trump's presidency

Trying to pick the most notable lies from Donald Trump's presidency is like trying to pick the most notable pieces of junk from the town dump.
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If CNN could only find 15 notable lies in the last four years, then they aren't trying. I can cite 15 lies Biden told, and he has only been President for one day.

Any normal politician will lie 15+ times before they eat breakfast.
 
Glitch said:
If CNN could only find 15 notable lies in the last four years, then they aren't trying. I can cite 15 lies Biden told, and he has only been President for one day.

Any normal politician will lie 15+ times before they eat breakfast.
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Go on then, cite 15 lies Biden has told.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Just don't hold your breath.
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He's just regurgitating some toxin put out by an outlet like Fox or Newsmax and is probably wondering why Goggle won't find and supportive evidence

Must be the Deep State and Big Tech.
 
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