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    Who supports the 17th amendment

    The text of the this particular amendment.

    The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

    When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

    This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.
    The direct election senators.... why is this so controversial now?
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    Re: Who supports the 17th amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The text of the this particular amendment.
    The direct election senators.... why is this so controversial now?
    Because GOPs control over 30 state legislatures and would be able to appoint up to 70 Senators ...
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    Re: Who supports the 17th amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The text of the this particular amendment.



    The direct election senators.... why is this so controversial now?
    I don't like it because it robs states of their representation in Washington and replaces loyalty to the state with loyalty to the Party.

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    Re: Who supports the 17th amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by blueliner7 View Post
    I don't like it because it robs states of their representation in Washington and replaces loyalty to the state with loyalty to the Party.
    Loyalty to the party exists regardless of system.

    But it is ultimately the people who are ultimately the ones responsible for who they elect.
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    Re: Who supports the 17th amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Loyalty to the party exists regardless of system.

    But it is ultimately the people who are ultimately the ones responsible for who they elect.
    So Collins and Amash are the same? No they're not. Senators need to be held responsible all of the time instead of only once every six years.

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    Re: Who supports the 17th amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Loyalty to the party exists regardless of system.

    But it is ultimately the people who are ultimately the ones responsible for who they elect.
    Not exactly. At large (statewide) elections prevent gerrymandering from altering reality. This allows for "purple" sets of Senators that would (very likely) not occur without the 17A.

    One can certainly debate the merits of a state voting to cancel itself but the 17A (more) allows for that possibility.
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    Re: Who supports the 17th amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by blueliner7 View Post
    So Collins and Amash are the same? No they're not. Senators need to be held responsible all of the time instead of only once every six years.
    Congressmen and senators are held accountable at the ballot box, in town halls, and with every letter and phone call made by constituents.
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    Re: Who supports the 17th amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not exactly. At large (statewide) elections prevent gerrymandering from altering reality. This allows for "purple" sets of Senators that would (very likely) not occur without the 17A.
    And is that a bad thing?
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    Re: Who supports the 17th amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Congressmen and senators are held accountable at the ballot box, in town halls, and with every letter and phone call made by constituents.
    How about held accountable immediately? I like that better.

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    Re: Who supports the 17th amendment

    Outside of a hardcore small group of right wingers, this is NOT at all controversial. They hate the 17th because it brings government closer to the people and they despise the vote of the people because they know they are a small minority whose radical ideas and whack job agenda goes nowhere with the people against them.
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