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    A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    The IUIC has been labeled as a hate group by the SPLC but they reject the designation because they are harming no one. The question is whether the designation of "hate" is an infringement on their free speech. Is it an infringement on anyone's free speech? Is the SPLC oppressing free speech by handing down these labels?

    Their belief is that blacks and Native Americans are among the descendants of the original 12 Tribes of Israel and that at the second coming of Christ (who was black), they will one day rule and white people will be their slaves.

    As with the KKK and neo-nazis, the IUIC has every right to spread the word of what they feel is correct. It's only when they cross the line into harming someone that they fall afoul of the law.

    “All of the other nations that came against us… sold us into slavery, that are oppressing us, they're going to be slaves in the kingdom. We're going to put the ruling people in the kingdom under Christ,” he said. “The most high God was never about bringing everybody together. He was always about separation.”

    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which dubs itself as an anti-hate, non-profit organization, identifies IUIC as a Black, separatist, hate group; typically wanting separate institutions, opposing integration and espousing anti-White and anti-Semitic views.

    “They're not the real Jews. We are the real Jews,” Gabar said.

    He insists IUIC is not a hate group, and violence is never incited.
    I-Team: Las Vegas church labeled a hate group - Story | KLAS-TV

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    Re: A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    Israel was an historical person who had ten sons and two grandsons The descendants from these twelve men, became the twelve tribes of Israel. Judah was one of the sons of Israel whose his descendants are called the Jews. Jews equal 1/12 of Israel, not all of Israel. It is not clear who exactly the other eleven tribes are, since they were scattered all over the world.

    Jesus was talking to Israel and not just to the Jews. He was reaching out to the other eleven tribes as well as the Jews. The modern country of Israel does not belong to the Jews, but it belongs to all twelve tribes with the territory of the Jews a substantial area that is centered on Jerusalem.

    As far the designation for a hate groups, if hate is in their hearts and motivates their speech and their actions, they are a hate group. This logical definition of a hate group makes CNN and the DNC hate groups. The term hate group was coined by the Democrats to mean anyone who is not with their leftist agenda. The label is a misdirect using language games. It needs to be clarified so we don;t leave the DNC out, based on their actions in the past; slavery, and present.

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    Re: A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    My concern is that by designating individual groups as "hate groups," we're effectively creating an atmosphere that restricts their free speech.

    The IUIC has a right to preach what they feel is the truth, even though others may feel threatened or offended. It just so happens that in this specific case, this group feels as though they are the chosen race.

    That's not really different from some schools of thought that claim those of today's Jewish descent are really the chosen people.

    And, it's not a far removed from the white supremacists who believe the white race is superior.

    The question is not so much whether these various groups/churches have the right to free speech -- we know they do -- it's whether being designated a hate group has the effect of infringing on that right.

    Is the "hate" label a form of social engineering designed to make society put pressure on specific groups to silence them?

    This is an especially interesting case, because not only is this church racist in nature, it's also a religion, so it comes under another protective constitutional classification.

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    Re: A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    My concern is that by designating individual groups as "hate groups," we're effectively creating an atmosphere that restricts their free speech.

    The IUIC has a right to preach what they feel is the truth, even though others may feel threatened or offended. It just so happens that in this specific case, this group feels as though they are the chosen race.

    That's not really different from some schools of thought that claim those of today's Jewish descent are really the chosen people.

    And, it's not a far removed from the white supremacists who believe the white race is superior.

    The question is not so much whether these various groups/churches have the right to free speech -- we know they do -- it's whether being designated a hate group has the effect of infringing on that right.

    Is the "hate" label a form of social engineering designed to make society put pressure on specific groups to silence them?

    This is an especially interesting case, because not only is this church racist in nature, it's also a religion, so it comes under another protective constitutional classification.
    See my signature for why this isn't so.
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    Re: A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    UIIC, as we all know, has the right to preach. The question is that by designating such a group as a hate church, is their free speech being restricted?

    In fact, the answer remains "no". They can preach and advertise all they want, just the same as the Klan, the RC, and any of us.

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    Re: A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    See my signature for why this isn't so.
    Ya, per usual Kobie's signature has it right, in the world of your sacred first amendment, I can say that the this organization secretly circle jerks to unicorn porn while passing out the sacraments, and that's perfectly fine. Why are you trying to oppress the SPLC's freedom of speech? lol

    Sorry, dude, no standards = no standards.
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    Re: A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    See my signature for why this isn't so.
    Criticism is fine -- it's also a form of free speech.

    I'm thinking more of the groups like Antifa that shout-down protesters or use physical violence to stop them from holding free speech rallies. I'm also thinking about the pressure this type of social engineering has had on employers who immediately cringe when they find an employee is part of a "hate" group and fire them.

    All those things, minus the violence, are not illegal, but do they infringe on free speech?

    This church believes that blacks are superior and that, come judgement day, whites will be their slaves. Why is it "hate" to preach what they believe? Now that they are designated as a hate group, will the church members be fired from their jobs?

    Do you see how social engineering can infringe on free speech?

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    Re: A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    That's Odd, because there are people out there who Hate Cops and will now expect your support for their right to Hate Cops and march in protest.

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    Re: A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Criticism is fine -- it's also a form of free speech.

    I'm thinking more of the groups like Antifa that shout-down protesters or use physical violence to stop them from holding free speech rallies. I'm also thinking about the pressure this type of social engineering has had on employers who immediately cringe when they find an employee is part of a "hate" group and fire them.

    All those things, minus the violence, are not illegal, but do they infringe on free speech?

    This church believes that blacks are superior and that, come judgement day, whites will be their slaves. Why is it "hate" to preach what they believe? Now that they are designated as a hate group, will the church members be fired from their jobs?

    Do you see how social engineering can infringe on free speech?
    When whatever this church is starts marching around the streets like the Nazi's are doing, and have a country wide organization dedicated to impacting life on earth, vs. the afterlife, you'll have an equivalency.

    That said, I'll take this on face value. These so-called "Free Speech" rallies are merely the invocation of the 1st amendment as a shield, because they know that what they are saying at these rallies is considered beyond deplorable by most decent people. Their entire reason for existence is to convince folks, and ultimately change the country to reflect, that people who are not white are inferior, and therefore do not have the same claim to America, with it's rights and freedoms, as white people - so take out the middle stuff, and we're talking about a group seeking to restrict or remove the rights and freedoms of others, and they are hiding behind the rights granted them by the 1st amendment to do so.

    And that's fine...all on the up and up, I'm sure. They are no dummies. But, as I've said before, while I don't believe in political violence, I would not piss on a Nazi if they were on fire, let alone do a single thing to defend them from the consequences of using their first amendment rights in a way that would inspire this kind of reaction. I might not like Antifa's methodology, but I couldn't care less about bad stuff happening to Nazi's... Interesting times.
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    Re: A Hate Church Makes a Case for Free Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    When whatever this church is starts marching around the streets like the Nazi's are doing, and have a country wide organization dedicated to impacting life on earth, vs. the afterlife, you'll have an equivalency.
    Actually, they are doing just that, but until the SPLC gave them a "hate" designation, they did so without the stigma they now face.



    That said, I'll take this on face value. These so-called "Free Speech" rallies are merely the invocation of the 1st amendment as a shield, because they know that what they are saying at these rallies is considered beyond deplorable by most decent people. Their entire reason for existence is to convince folks, and ultimately change the country to reflect, that people who are not white are inferior, and therefore do not have the same claim to America, with it's rights and freedoms, as white people - so take out the middle stuff, and we're talking about a group seeking to restrict or remove the rights and freedoms of others, and they are hiding behind the rights granted them by the 1st amendment to do so.

    And that's fine...all on the up and up, I'm sure. They are no dummies. But, as I've said before, while I don't believe in political violence, I would not piss on a Nazi if they were on fire, let alone do a single thing to defend them from the consequences of using their first amendment rights in a way that would inspire this kind of reaction. I might not like Antifa's methodology, but I couldn't care less about bad stuff happening to Nazi's... Interesting times.[/QUOTE]

    Well, this group is identical in ideology to the ones you mention, only the skin color of the "chosen" is different.

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