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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What makes your hatred if their ideas any better than their hatred of your ideas? Suppression of free speech is totally self-serving and, as such, is a function of totalitarianism.
    Folks who have hatred, of any type, in their hearts for others - doesn't hold up in a wet paper bag. They can soapbox their hatred all day long.

    It's when they, or others, who hold similar beliefs - manifest those beliefs of hatred into acts of violent behaviors against other - is when they are a danger to our society and blatantly ignore the laws meant to protect all people within the jurisdiction of the United States.

    These types of expressions of hatred isn't suppression of free speech.
    “The final key to the way I promote is bravado,” Donald Trump wrote in his 1987 book, “The Art of the Deal.” “I play to people’s fantasies.”

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

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    So opposition to Nazis marching in public and calling for killing Jews and Blacks is hatred?
    Opposing them peaceably is fine. Opposing them by spitting on them and throwing things at them is not.

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Folks who have hatred, of any type, in their hearts for others - doesn't hold up in a wet paper bag. They can soapbox their hatred all day long.

    It's when they, or others, who hold similar beliefs - manifest those beliefs of hatred into acts of violent behaviors against other - is when they are a danger to our society and blatantly ignore the laws meant to protect all people within the jurisdiction of the United States.

    These types of expressions of hatred isn't suppression of free speech.
    Is protesting the pending removal of a monument in a public park by standing in the park, holding signs and hollering at passers by a violent act?

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Opposing them peaceably is fine. Opposing them by spitting on them and throwing things at them is not.
    I agree, but I dont think Nazis should be allowed to protest and spread their haterd in public, just like I will oppose any protest which support any terror group say ISIS for example.

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Is protesting the pending removal of a monument in a public park by standing in the park, holding signs and hollering at passers by a violent act?
    Is that what happened? Have you got all of the facts in yet? Trump says that he hasn't.
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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by NO1 View Post
    I agree, but I dont think Nazis should be allowed to protest and spread their haterd in public, just like I will oppose any protest which support any terror group say ISIS for example.
    No problem. This is America and you're free to advocate for totalitarianism all you like. Just don't try to suppress free speech by force of government or force of violent actions. Doing the former will foment revolution and doing the latter may result in comparable violent actions being taken against you.

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Is that what happened? Have you got all of the facts in yet? Trump says that he hasn't.
    I don't know who started flinging things but there are definitely videos out there showing the counter protesters spitting and throwing projectiles. As I've said all along, both sides came loaded for bear.

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    No problem. This is America and you're free to advocate for totalitarianism all you like. Just don't try to suppress free speech by force of government or force of violent actions. Doing the former will foment revolution and doing the latter may result in comparable violent actions being taken against you.
    I didn’t say I am supporting totalitarian regime, don’t distort my words.

    I don’t live in the US but I think any democratic regime that protect the liberty of its people, should protect it’s people not just from physical harm but also from mental harm, and in this case the harm in the public feelings is way to much and therefore its overpower the free speech.

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by NO1 View Post
    Why is that tyranny? Why we should allow people to spread their hatred in public and call for death of other people?
    Do you agree that BLM, The Muslim Nation, radical immams, antifa, etc. should also be banned?
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by NO1 View Post
    I didn’t say I am supporting totalitarian regime, don’t distort my words.

    I don’t live in the US but I think any democratic regime that protect the liberty of its people, should protect it’s people not just from physical harm but also from mental harm, and in this case the harm in the public feelings is way to much and therefore its overpower the free speech.
    No such protections exist, nor should they.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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