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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Maccabee View Post
    So what if they decided that your speech was racist hate speech. We live in a world where literally anything is considered racist and bigoted. Do you really want to give the government the power to enforce the whims of what is considered racist?
    Herein is exactly what the PURPOSE of free speech resolves.

    By mass discussion in various forms enabled by technology, people can resolve the emotional aspects that comprise hate. Perhaps when "hate speech" is suspected, freedom of expression should be restricted for the purposes of reason to TEXT.

    Humans have two brains, at least, really three if the hypthalmus is considered. The left brain or cognitive process is always involved with speech, but with text, only the right may be active. Meaning that when the reasoning for the hate is written, it most often makes no sense. That, should, in a normal person, make it clear that there is no real reason for the hate.

    It might be possible in a group of haters, with their efforts to justify their hate with reason, that they would separate the emotional from the logical and begin to understand that the hate they feel is not going to resolve the issues they have.

    Modern understandings of the human mind and psychology can be useful along with technology to address hate but those with the emotion need to understand all of the issues as well as those targeted with hate.

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub786 View Post
    Racist hate speech should be criminalized because it’s dangerous often leading to violence. Likewise, all White racist and neo-Nazi groups should be proscribed by law even if they claim to be non-violent.
    It is not at all clear a racist message or racist speech "often" leads to violence. However, the message should not be censored on the basis people respond violently to the message. It is proper to demand adults control their responses to racist speech in non-violent ways and to penalize those who resort to violence in response to a racist message. The underlying principle here is the rational notion of responding appropriately, maturely, to a message or opinion one disagrees with, perhaps even despises. This is the approach, I would assert the proper approach, taken with other kinds of speech which have historically, and occasionally today, results in violence. Specifically, political speech can and continues to result in violence. Religious speech has and continues to result in violence.

    The proper response to someone responding violently to a message they disagree with, perhaps even despise, is to arrest and prosecute those responding with violence, as opposed to censoring speech.

    Lawmakers, who else? The same people who determined what constitutes a threat by law and what doesn’t.
    This is not entirely accurate. Lawmakers have passed laws regarding threats but the judiciary has either rendered those some of those laws as unconstitutional and/or interpreted them in such a way as to exclude certain kinds of threats from being criminalized. After all, legislatures cannot proscribe that which the 1st Amendment free speech clause declares to be sacrosanct.
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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub786 View Post
    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what constitutes racist hate speech. Saying “I don’t like you” isn’t racist, but saying “Blacks are sub-human” is racist hate speech. The former is freedom of speech, the latter should be criminalized.
    Both are free speech. It is clear your concept of free speech, ironically, is contradictory to the very concept of free speech. Repulsive, disgusting, and revile speech is also free speech.
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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

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    Jews won't replace us? There were no morally equivlent groups: there were only Nazis, white supremacists, and the Klan.

    No squiggling, no fudging, no comparison, only the smashing of the alt right. We will Captain America the neo-nazis all day long in the press on social media and in our town squares.
    Do it. If that's the way you figure you must take care of social movements you find offensive, do it.
    But when you break the law, in order to carry out your heaven-sent moral mission, you will be held accountable.
    Be prepared for the ever-so-ugly moral equivalence to be drawn again as well.
    Your actions will condemn you to a visitation to the ethical depths of the very people you so vehemently oppose.

    Wait a minute...does that course of action sound reasonable...to anyone?

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub786 View Post
    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what constitutes racist hate speech. Saying “I don’t like you” isn’t racist, but saying “Blacks are sub-human” is racist hate speech. The former is freedom of speech, the latter should be criminalized.
    I've seen more hate speech from the liberal left than from anyone else. Here's today's example:

    Tomi Lahren's Final Thoughts: New York Times' Race Bait | Fox News Insider

    Excerpts: "Over the weekend the ethically corrupt New York Times published an op-ed titled "Can My Children Be Friends With White People?" Better question, could this article be anymore racist? The Left lives in an obscure world where Colin Kaepernick is citizen of the year and it's acceptable to ask if your kids can have white friends. Wow."
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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    I've seen more hate speech from the liberal left than from anyone else. Here's today's example:

    Tomi Lahren's Final Thoughts: New York Times' Race Bait | Fox News Insider

    Excerpts: "Over the weekend the ethically corrupt New York Times published an op-ed titled "Can My Children Be Friends With White People?" Better question, could this article be anymore racist? The Left lives in an obscure world where Colin Kaepernick is citizen of the year and it's acceptable to ask if your kids can have white friends. Wow."
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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisABrown View Post
    Herein is exactly what the PURPOSE of free speech resolves.

    By mass discussion in various forms enabled by technology, people can resolve the emotional aspects that comprise hate. Perhaps when "hate speech" is suspected, freedom of expression should be restricted for the purposes of reason to TEXT.

    Humans have two brains, at least, really three if the hypthalmus is considered. The left brain or cognitive process is always involved with speech, but with text, only the right may be active. Meaning that when the reasoning for the hate is written, it most often makes no sense. That, should, in a normal person, make it clear that there is no real reason for the hate.

    It might be possible in a group of haters, with their efforts to justify their hate with reason, that they would separate the emotional from the logical and begin to understand that the hate they feel is not going to resolve the issues they have.

    Modern understandings of the human mind and psychology can be useful along with technology to address hate but those with the emotion need to understand all of the issues as well as those targeted with hate.
    An interesting post. I wonder if the emotion of hatred exists alone in humans, or must they be taught hatred by those afflicted? So too with other harmful emotions?

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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Isn't it terribly presumptuous to think you can eliminate "hate"?
    Also, why ascribe "hate" to anything or anyone? Isn't that too terribly presumptuous?
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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    I've seen more hate speech from the liberal left than from anyone else. Here's today's example:

    Tomi Lahren's Final Thoughts: New York Times' Race Bait | Fox News Insider

    Excerpts: "Over the weekend the ethically corrupt New York Times published an op-ed titled "Can My Children Be Friends With White People?" Better question, could this article be anymore racist? The Left lives in an obscure world where Colin Kaepernick is citizen of the year and it's acceptable to ask if your kids can have white friends. Wow."
    Wow...I hadn't read that article till you just brought it up. I can't believe how much is wrong with that "article".
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    Re: Hate Speech and the First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There are posts about it all the time.

    Some people claim "hate speech" isn't protected by the First Amendment.

    They're wrong.
    That's what happens when you let progressive websites teach you about the US Constitution.

    The same group of people also think the 2nd Amendment only applies to "militias" who got their weapons from the government.

    I cannot count how many people who repeat headlines and talking points from political editorials within minutes of them being posted; it's so bad it's to the point of their repeating the headline, verbatim, and laughing for hours.

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