• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Does the Trump administration support the Bill of Rights?

Dittohead not!

master political analyst
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 3, 2009
Messages
52,009
Reaction score
33,942
Location
The Golden State
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
It appears that the first and fourth amendments may be problematical for them:

[FONT=&quot]People from all over the country emailed the Commission, which was established after Trump proclaimed there was massive voter fraud during the 2016 election, complaining about the odd ask, not thinking that the government would retaliate. Unfortunately, last Thursday, the White House released those emails — all 112 pages of them — to the public. During the email dump, the White House also published highly personal information such as addresses, phone numbers, and emails.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]

Don't criticize Big Brother. If you do, you'll be sorry!
[/FONT]
 
I already said this in the other thread, but regardless of whether it was illegal or not, it was morally wrong and unethical for them to do that.

And to those saying "librulz did it 2!": two wrongs do not make a right. If it's bad when libruls do it, it should be just as bad when conservatives do it.
 
Ask the people who had their personal information disclosed how they feel, chuckychan.

Are you willing to state your name, email address, phone# on DP?
 
It appears that the first and fourth amendments may be problematical for them:

[FONT="]

Don't criticize Big Brother. If you do, you'll be sorry!
[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[B][/B]


This is bad--44 states have refused to release information. We have over[COLOR="#B22222"] 3000 people in Colorado
that unregistered because of the Trump voter fraud commission. People want security, they don't want to be the victim of identity theft. Now consider the liability back to the states if their lists get out!
44 states won't give some voter info to panel - CNNPolitics.com
Election integrity commission: Republican, Democratic voters canceled their registrations

And for what? To put on one of Trump's shows at enormous cost to the taxpayers of this nation. No illegal is stupid enough to walk into a voting precinct--commit a felony in the process, and be subject to immediate deportation, just so they can cast a single vote.

Furthermore, it was Trump that said the U.S. Constitution was BAD for Americans.

In an interview with Fox News to mark the 100-day mark, he declared himself “disappointed” with congressional Republicans, despite his many “great relationships” with them. He blamed the constitutional checks and balances built in to US governance. “It’s a very rough system,” he said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...stitution-for-first-100-days-chaos-presidency
 
Is anyone here claiming that the administration violated any laws by publishing these e-mails? People often release personal information and then regret it, because they expected--mistakenly--that the party receiving it would have a legal duty to keep it private.
 
I already said this in the other thread, but regardless of whether it was illegal or not, it was morally wrong and unethical for them to do that.

And to those saying "librulz did it 2!": two wrongs do not make a right. If it's bad when libruls do it, it should be just as bad when conservatives do it.


All's fair in love and war - and politics

As long as your side does it two wrong cancel each other out.

Clean up your act first and then talk to us
 
I cannot think of one federal entity that supports the Bill Of Rights. Yes, the Judiciary pays it lip service from time to time, but it doesn't have the courage to strike down the Unpatriot Act.

Congress has not ended that Bill, and the Executive enforces it with gusto.

ACLU and a few other civilian organizations support the BOR, but Rush Limbaugh and others call them dirty names for that.
 



This is bad--44 states have refused to release information. We have over 3000 people in Colorado that unregistered because of the Trump voter fraud commission. People want security, they don't want to be the victim of identity theft. Now consider the liability back to the states if their lists get out!
44 states won't give some voter info to panel - CNNPolitics.com
Election integrity commission: Republican, Democratic voters canceled their registrations

And for what? To put on one of Trump's shows at enormous cost to the taxpayers of this nation. No illegal is stupid enough to walk into a voting precinct--commit a felony in the process, and be subject to immediate deportation, just so they can cast a single vote.

Furthermore, it was Trump that said the U.S. Constitution was BAD for Americans.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...stitution-for-first-100-days-chaos-presidency

I'm sure he'd love to have the same power his buddy, Putin has. He can attack the fourth and fifth amendments, attack the constitutional balance of power, and his supporters will still rally behind him. Is there anything he can do that will alienate his core believers?
 
I cannot think of one federal entity that supports the Bill Of Rights. Yes, the Judiciary pays it lip service from time to time, but it doesn't have the courage to strike down the Unpatriot Act.

No, nor asset forfeiture nor any other threat to liberty.

Congress has not ended that Bill, and the Executive enforces it with gusto.

and will continue until we, the people, exercise those rights to see to it the government does support the Constitution. eternal vigilance and all that.

ACLU and a few other civilian organizations support the BOR, but Rush Limbaugh and others call them dirty names for that.

Ironically, the ACLU once went to bat for the mighty El Rushbo, purveyor of "truth" on the "Excellence in Broadcasting" network.
 
Is anyone here claiming that the administration violated any laws by publishing these e-mails? People often release personal information and then regret it, because they expected--mistakenly--that the party receiving it would have a legal duty to keep it private.

The liability goes back to the states for releasing this information. No one personal individual authorized them to release their names, address's and birthdays to Trump's bogus voter fraud commission. So if it is found that these are hacked into--it will be the State that released them that will be looking at class action law suits.
 
Is anyone here claiming that the administration violated any laws by publishing these e-mails? People often release personal information and then regret it, because they expected--mistakenly--that the party receiving it would have a legal duty to keep it private.

The liability goes back to the states for releasing this information. No one personal individual authorized them to release their names, address's and birthdays to Trump's bogus voter fraud commission. So if it is found that these are hacked into--it will be the State that released them that will be looking at class action law suits.
 
The liability goes back to the states for releasing this information. No one personal individual authorized them to release their names, address's and birthdays to Trump's bogus voter fraud commission. So if it is found that these are hacked into--it will be the State that released them that will be looking at class action law suits.

What would be the specific legal basis for those suits? Unless you think all the states have exactly the same law, you must think there what they did violated something in the Constitution. If so, what case law can you cite as support?
 
Is anyone here claiming that the administration violated any laws by publishing these e-mails? People often release personal information and then regret it, because they expected--mistakenly--that the party receiving it would have a legal duty to keep it private.

Is that the only valid standard, legality?
 
I already said this in the other thread, but regardless of whether it was illegal or not, it was morally wrong and unethical for them to do that.

And to those saying "librulz did it 2!": two wrongs do not make a right. If it's bad when libruls do it, it should be just as bad when conservatives do it.

That is what common sense gets you, a good answer, and a gold star :)
 
The liability goes back to the states for releasing this information. No one personal individual authorized them to release their names, address's and birthdays to Trump's bogus voter fraud commission. So if it is found that these are hacked into--it will be the State that released them that will be looking at class action law suits.
Here's the disconnect on the part of the government. They will release the information... probably legally, I'll concede that point... but then later they'll whine when the people don't trust them.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
 
No. Nope. No way.
 
Last edited:

Now can you find 3 to 5 million more--:lol:

They did find 3 people who did commit fraud this election season (and they were all Trump supporters.) In fact 2 of them have stated they tried to vote twice because Trump was campaigning on a rigged election.

Woman in Iowa.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm_term=.d703c9b3484b

Man_arrested_for_voting_twice_0_2258757_ver1.0_640_360.jpg

http://www.mediaite.com/online/texa...wice-claimed-he-was-working-for-donald-trump/

Then this woman in Colorado Springs who was caught forging her parents signature.
interview3.jpg


The El Paso County District Attorney has charged a Colorado Springs woman with six counts of felony forgery, accusing her of repeatedly forging her deceased parents signatures on mail-in ballots.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/07/11/investigation-voter-fraud-charges/

So I would suggest that the very first place to look, is at Trump voters--who may be registered in more than state or location, as it was Trump that was encouraging his supporters to vote more than once. "You don't know if your mail-in ballot gets counted."
 
Now can you find 3 to 5 million more--:lol:

They did find 3 people who did commit fraud this election season (and they were all Trump supporters.) In fact 2 of them have stated they tried to vote twice because Trump was campaigning on a rigged election.

Does really not matter. The claim was that they would never do so, but obviously they have.

I am not supporting the claim of millions, I never said I did. But when somebody makes such a claim as "they never would", that just screams that such a silly stance should be challenged.

Myself, I do believe that all voters should be required to re-register every 4 years, and that they should have their identity and citizenship checked. And I do not care which party they support.
 
Does really not matter. The claim was that they would never do so, but obviously they have.

I am not supporting the claim of millions, I never said I did. But when somebody makes such a claim as "they never would", that just screams that such a silly stance should be challenged.

Myself, I do believe that all voters should be required to re-register every 4 years, and that they should have their identity and citizenship checked. And I do not care which party they support.

I would prefer that it is mandatory that anyone who moves is required first to get a notice from their election board that they canceled their registration there. I am more than concerned that this woman in C. Spgs. was able to use her dead parents mail in ballots-& there is no excuse for that. County death certificates go out every day--and when someone dies--the election board should be made aware of that immediately and purge their names. The new registered location could also notify the old election board when someone registers to purge their names. I don't believe anyone should be registered in more than one state.

This is what your article from Kansas stated:
Kobach said the others were convictions of people who “double-voted” or were citizens who voted in Kansas and another state.

Some people are just really stupid--it is a FELONY to do that, so it stays on your record FOREVER. They lose their right to vote forever--and it comes with jail, fines and a lot of embarrasement, and for what? To think you're going to sway an election by casting an additional vote--:roll:
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom