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    2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    The Second Amendment to the Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Please focus on only the three words on bold. No thing else, no other part. What do they mean? Is their meaning clear, or open to interpretation?

    Is a militia the people in general, or is it a state-sponsored organized and approved government body? Does the fact that "Militia" is capitalized lean toward an organized government body (as a formal name, essentially), or is that irrelevant? Maybe just grammatical peculiarities of the day.

    If you believe their meaning is clear, why do many people have other definitions? Are they being dishonest and/or insincere?

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    Re: 2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The Second Amendment to the Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Please focus on only the three words on bold. No thing else, no other part. What do they mean? Is their meaning clear, or open to interpretation?

    Is a militia the people in general, or is it a state-sponsored organized and approved government body? Does the fact that "Militia" is capitalized lean toward an organized government body (as a formal name, essentially), or is that irrelevant? Maybe just grammatical peculiarities of the day.

    If you believe their meaning is clear, why do many people have other definitions? Are they being dishonest and/or insincere?

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    Militia is the term used for a defense force comprised of ordinary citizens and well regulated means trained and equipped. What is equally important, in the context of the 2A, is whether the people refers to only those people currently (or likely to be) engaged in militia activities.
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    Re: 2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    It is obviously open to interpretation seeing as how millions of people interpret it differently from each other. I always found the sentence structure clumsy. Militia, State and Arms are all capitalized. Each of those words is each followed by a comma. I don't know why.
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    Re: 2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    "We the People" are the government. The Militia is us.
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    Re: 2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The Second Amendment to the Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Please focus on only the three words on bold. No thing else, no other part. What do they mean? Is their meaning clear, or open to interpretation?

    Is a militia the people in general, or is it a state-sponsored organized and approved government body? Does the fact that "Militia" is capitalized lean toward an organized government body (as a formal name, essentially), or is that irrelevant? Maybe just grammatical peculiarities of the day.

    If you believe their meaning is clear, why do many people have other definitions? Are they being dishonest and/or insincere?

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    This is a well sourced write up.
    It basically means a trained/disciplined group of citizen soldiers.
    The militia being, the whole people.

    The Second Amendment: The Framers' Intentions

    People have different opinions for political motives and/or they really believe it.
    It's not an all or none thing.
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    Re: 2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    Somebody gave me this sentence one time:

    "A good night's sleep, being necessary to the health of a body, the right of the people to keep and use beds, shall not be infringed."

    Does that sentence mean I can only use a bed to sleep at night? Can I use it to take a nap? Can I just lay on it to watch TV?
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    Re: 2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    It is obviously open to interpretation seeing as how millions of people interpret it differently from each other. I always found the sentence structure clumsy. Militia, State and Arms are all capitalized. Each of those words is each followed by a comma. I don't know why.
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    Re: 2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    My thoughts.

    I believe that it is intended to mean all the people, collectively and/or individually. That is my interpretation.

    However, I do know people who believe it means the government's military, and I know these people personally and I also know them to be absolutely sincere in their beliefs. They claim that the words "well regulated" means government sponsored and approved, because, well, who else would 'regulate'?

    I wholly disagree with them, but I do not question the sincerity of their position.
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    Re: 2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Somebody gave me this sentence one time:

    "A good night's sleep, being necessary to the health of a body, the right of the people to keep and use beds, shall not be infringed."

    Does that sentence mean I can only use a bed to sleep at night? Can I use it to take a nap? Can I just lay on it to watch TV?
    The pretext is giving reason why, the right to keep and use beds, shall not be infringed.
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    Re: 2A definition: "...well regulated Militia..."

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The Second Amendment to the Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Please focus on only the three words on bold. No thing else, no other part. What do they mean? Is their meaning clear, or open to interpretation?

    Is a militia the people in general, or is it a state-sponsored organized and approved government body? Does the fact that "Militia" is capitalized lean toward an organized government body (as a formal name, essentially), or is that irrelevant? Maybe just grammatical peculiarities of the day.

    If you believe their meaning is clear, why do many people have other definitions? Are they being dishonest and/or insincere?

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    well regulated militia means = a well organized militia not a rabble of men throw together - this can be found by reading the founders

    in the constitution of the founders, the federal government has the power to create uniformity among the militias of the states, HOWEVER, it is not executed by the federal government but by the state governments themselves.

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