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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's isn't accurate. If I'm in a public place, talking about politics, you can't punch me in the mouth to shut me up. That's a civil rights violation, on top of assault.
    No kidding, is what I said.

    Notice "Civil Rights"... key word there is "Civil". Not Constitutional.

    Unless they are acting as a representative for a state agency (as in part of the government), an individual can not be charged with violating the 1st Amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdog View Post
    Violence against others is always illegal. What has that got to do with free speech? You go on being you too, it is a little difficult to be anything else.....
    Of course it is illegal, I never said otherwise.

    Does not mean it is a direct violation of the Constitution however. That is something else completely different.
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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    No kidding, is what I said.

    Notice "Civil Rights"... key word there is "Civil". Not Constitutional.

    Unless they are acting as a representative for a state agency (as in part of the government), an individual can not be charged with violating the 1st Amendment.



    Of course it is illegal, I never said otherwise.

    Does not mean it is a direct violation of the Constitution however. That is something else completely different.
    The Bill of Rights are our Civil Rights.
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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Bill of Rights are our Civil Rights.
    No, the Bill of Rights are a listing of Political Rights. They protect us from the Government impeding on the rights given to us in them. The Constitution has not a damned thing to do with one individual "impeding" the rights of another individual.

    It is the code of law that protects us from other citizens.

    Come on, this is Constitutional Law 101 stuff here dude.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
    Now show me where this has a damned thing to do with an individual against another individual.

    Or let me guess, you are one of those that the Constitution wants it to mean whatever you want it to mean.
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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    No, the Bill of Rights are a listing of Political Rights. They protect us from the Government impeding on the rights given to us in them. The Constitution has not a damned thing to do with one individual "impeding" the rights of another individual.

    It is the code of law that protects us from other citizens.

    Come on, this is Constitutional Law 101 stuff here dude.



    Now show me where this has a damned thing to do with an individual against another individual.

    Or let me guess, you are one of those that the Constitution wants it to mean whatever you want it to mean.
    You can't physically deny my civil rights. There was a whole movement about that. There's even a civil rights division within the DOJ.

    The Constitution protects us from all tyranny, not just by the government.
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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can't physically deny my civil rights. There was a whole movement about that. There's even a civil rights division within the DOJ.

    The Constitution protects us from all tyranny, not just by the government.
    And it is handled differently from an individual does it than when a state entity does it.

    Hence, in so many cases over and over again when the FBI and National Guard were called out in that era. They are the ones that went after government actors. Although most of the time, absolutely no actual actions were taken.

    And those "civil rights violations" were generally unprosecuted, other than in the cases where other actual crimes occurred, like murder, arson, assault, etc.

    But Civil Right is just that, a civil right. Now show me a single case where individuals acting as individuals were prosecuted for violating the 1st Amendment. Or the 2nd, or the 4th, or any of them.

    Oh, and "Civil Rights" existed before the Constitution. Even before he wrote the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson called them "Natural Rights".

    But forgive me, but I am totally confused. "The Constitution protects us from all tyranny, not just by the government"? That is a complete and utter contradiction. Tyranny is tyranny because it is done by the Government.
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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    And it is handled differently from an individual does it than when a state entity does it.

    Hence, in so many cases over and over again when the FBI and National Guard were called out in that era. They are the ones that went after government actors. Although most of the time, absolutely no actual actions were taken.

    And those "civil rights violations" were generally unprosecuted, other than in the cases where other actual crimes occurred, like murder, arson, assault, etc.

    But Civil Right is just that, a civil right. Now show me a single case where individuals acting as individuals were prosecuted for violating the 1st Amendment. Or the 2nd, or the 4th, or any of them.

    Oh, and "Civil Rights" existed before the Constitution. Even before he wrote the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson called them "Natural Rights".

    But forgive me, but I am totally confused. "The Constitution protects us from all tyranny, not just by the government"? That is a complete and utter contradiction. Tyranny is tyranny because it is done by the Government.
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    Within a few days of the disappearance, the FBI began an investigation, and members of the U.S. Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division visited Mississippi to learn what facts were available about their disappearance. On August 4, 1964, a paid informant of the FBI revealed the location of the bodies of the 3 young civil rights workers. They had been shot, and James Chaney, an African-American, had been severely beaten. In December, 1964, 19 white men, including the sheriff and his deputy, were arrested on state conspiracy charges, but the charges were later dropped. In 1967, after a federal prosecution for conspiracy to deny the young men's civil rights, 7 white men were convicted.

    http://civilrights.findlaw.com/civil...story-and.html
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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by dropzone View Post
    Take what it says about free speech. Those who agree with it can take that idea and stick it so far up up their ass that they would need a dentist to check the other end of it for head lice. Free speech isn't a god damned political issue. It's a mutha fukin HUMAN RIGHTS issue! A human right that as everybody knows, business' (such as political forums) can ignore at their leisure)

    Also, the constitution was written by and for American citizens. But somehow, it has come to protect people in this country who aren't citizens. I think it's time we used the constitution as toilet paper and do an Ameri-exit.
    the constitution isn't relevant today. the constitution was written that the people might control the government , not the government control the people. -Patrick Henry. this is no longer true in amerika

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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    As far as I know Non Citizens are only afforded the 1st, 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendments.

    1st

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


    5th

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


    6th

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


    8th


    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    "The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper."

    It wouldn't actually. Who in their right mind would want to use used toilet paper?

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    Re: The Constitution Would Make Good Toilet Paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by hado117 View Post
    the constitution isn't relevant today. the constitution was written that the people might control the government , not the government control the people. -Patrick Henry. this is no longer true in amerika
    https://www.nbcnews.com/video/court-...g-692330051668

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