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Roe v Wade Was Wrongly Decided

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I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.

Norma McCorvey
1947–2017

Norma McCorvey, ‘Jane Roe’ of Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, dies at 69




When she filed suit in 1970, McCorvey was not looking for a sweeping ruling for all women but simply the right to legally and safely end a pregnancy that she did not wish to carry forward. The Supreme Court ruled 7 to 2 in 1973 that the constitutional right to privacy includes the choice to terminate a pregnancy. McCorvey later became a born-again Christian and a rallying figure for antiabortion activists.

  • By Emily Langer


 
I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.

This is a theory, not a fact.

After Roe vs. Wade, abortion was a made up issue by the far right wing to rally Evangelical voters and give them something to be angry and passionate about so they'd go the polls, evangelicals are shot for shot one of the most reliable voters in the entire body politic and this issue is a major driver.

If not abortion, it would be something else and today's poisonous political landscape comes from far more complex causes than just abortion.

Once it was a difference in political theory and policy ideas.

At this particular moment it's a difference of reality as we know it.

One could argue actually, that, that started with Climate Change Denial in the 90's... Something you unfortunately propagate at an incredible rate.

But in closing, female reproductive rights should not be up for debate, Big Government Conservative Theocratic busybodies are virtually the only people concerned with this nonsense and I wish they'd just bugger off with it.
 
But in closing, female reproductive rights should not be up for debate, Big Government Conservative Theocratic busybodies are virtually the only people concerned with this nonsense and I wish they'd just bugger off with it.

That's your perception based on your own beliefs about abortion. You can't use your beliefs and opinions about abortion to come to a conclusion about pro-life people. We don't believe abortion is "female reproductive rights". We look at abortion as the killing of an innocent human. There's nothing "big government, theocratic or busybody" about wanting innocent lives to not be snuffed out, is there?
 
Sorry to hear Norma McCorvy died.
 
This is a theory, not a fact.

After Roe vs. Wade, abortion was a made up issue by the far right wing to rally Evangelical voters and give them something to be angry and passionate about so they'd go the polls, evangelicals are shot for shot one of the most reliable voters in the entire body politic and this issue is a major driver.

If not abortion, it would be something else and today's poisonous political landscape comes from far more complex causes than just abortion.

Once it was a difference in political theory and policy ideas.

At this particular moment it's a difference of reality as we know it.

One could argue actually, that, that started with Climate Change Denial in the 90's... Something you unfortunately propagate at an incredible rate.

But in closing, female reproductive rights should not be up for debate, Big Government Conservative Theocratic busybodies are virtually the only people concerned with this nonsense and I wish they'd just bugger off with it.

^ History fail
 
And that's your problem, glad you see that.

Once again, you're using your beliefs to define what I should or shouldn't "see". Being against abortion isn't a big government stance -- it's a human rights stance.
 
That's your perception based on your own beliefs about abortion. You can't use your beliefs and opinions about abortion to come to a conclusion about pro-life people. We don't believe abortion is "female reproductive rights". We look at abortion as the killing of an innocent human. There's nothing "big government, theocratic or busybody" about wanting innocent lives to not be snuffed out, is there?

You might as well be speaking another language. They don't understand and don't want to.
 
That's your perception based on your own beliefs about abortion. You can't use your beliefs and opinions about abortion to come to a conclusion about pro-life people. We don't believe abortion is "female reproductive rights". We look at abortion as the killing of an innocent human. There's nothing "big government, theocratic or busybody" about wanting innocent lives to not be snuffed out, is there?

Abortion is murder.
 
Abortion is murder.

Murder is a legal term. Abortion is only murder after a certain point.

It is the killing of a human life, though. That killing is simply justified under US law and deemed morally acceptable by many people in the country.

However, if we were talking about puppies or spotted owls instead of humans............
 

Save your efforts. Anyone who isn't an idiot knows what abortion does and either it's a-ok with you or it's not. I'm totally fine with not being ok with it.
 
I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.

Norma McCorvey
1947–2017

Norma McCorvey, ‘Jane Roe’ of Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, dies at 69




When she filed suit in 1970, McCorvey was not looking for a sweeping ruling for all women but simply the right to legally and safely end a pregnancy that she did not wish to carry forward. The Supreme Court ruled 7 to 2 in 1973 that the constitutional right to privacy includes the choice to terminate a pregnancy. McCorvey later became a born-again Christian and a rallying figure for antiabortion activists.

  • By Emily Langer



Of course Roe v Wade was wrongly decided even Ginsburg has admitted that. The right to privacy (between a patient and their) doctor has only ever been applied in 2 situations: birth control and abortion. If it was really a right how could it not apply to something like medical marijuana or off label drug use?
 
I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.

Norma McCorvey
1947–2017

Norma McCorvey, ‘Jane Roe’ of Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, dies at 69




When she filed suit in 1970, McCorvey was not looking for a sweeping ruling for all women but simply the right to legally and safely end a pregnancy that she did not wish to carry forward. The Supreme Court ruled 7 to 2 in 1973 that the constitutional right to privacy includes the choice to terminate a pregnancy. McCorvey later became a born-again Christian and a rallying figure for antiabortion activists.

  • By Emily Langer



As a small federal government guy, I too believe R v W was wrongly adjudicated. I'm in favor of abortion rights, but I do not see the constitutional grounds behind making it a federal right.
 
Murder is a legal term. Abortion is only murder after a certain point.

It is the killing of a human life, though. That killing is simply justified under US law and deemed morally acceptable by many people in the country.

However, if we were talking about puppies or spotted owls instead of humans............

I agree with you. There are those who also hold the view that murder is a moral matter. "Thou shalt not kill!" has no clauses, limits or restrictions. That there are certain people in our country who find that the killing (or murder) of an unborn fetus is morally acceptable is evidence of our moral, ethical and cultural depravity.
 
I agree with you. There are those who also hold the view that murder is a moral matter. "Thou shalt not kill!" has no clauses, limits or restrictions. That there are certain people in our country who find that the killing (or murder) of an unborn fetus is morally acceptable is evidence of our moral, ethical and cultural depravity.

Yeah, but blowing Muslims to bits is not a problem. Right?
 
Roe v Wade was over 40 years ago for ****s sake; everyone stop crying about this **** ................. a woman's body is a woman's body for crying out loud .............
 
Roe v Wade was over 40 years ago for ****s sake; everyone stop crying about this **** ................. a woman's body is a woman's body for crying out loud .............

Depending how old she is...
 
It should have been left to the states.

Civil rights is federal jurisdiction.
 
You're the king of strawmen.

Nonsense. He said:

I agree with you. There are those who also hold the view that murder is a moral matter. "Thou shalt not kill!" has no clauses, limits or restrictions. That there are certain people in our country who find that the killing (or murder) of an unborn fetus is morally acceptable is evidence of our moral, ethical and cultural depravity.

So, why does he make exceptions for Muslims who sit below falling US bombs?
 
Whether you're pro-life or pro-choice, why would you leave it up to the states? Why would abortion be murder in one state, but not in another? If that were the case, wouldn't the diversity of state laws basically render it pro-choice on a federal level?

No. There needs to be one national uniform policy, especially since it's a medical issue (or a human rights issue, if you're pro-life), and those things need one voice.

Once again, you're using your beliefs to define what I should or shouldn't "see". Being against abortion isn't a big government stance -- it's a human rights stance.

And once again, not everyone shares the same beliefs you do. It's why I can be personally pro-life but on a policy level I am pro-choice. E pluribus unum.
 
Save your efforts. Anyone who isn't an idiot knows what abortion does and either it's a-ok with you or it's not. I'm totally fine with not being ok with it.

Thanks for calling anyone who has a differing but articulate opinion than yours an idiot.
 
Nonsense. He said:



So, why does he make exceptions for Muslims who sit below falling US bombs?

No one said anything about Muslims here.
 
Abortion was the greatest thing that happened to the country in the last Half Century, including the Moon Landing...
Unless you would have liked supporting Double+ the Crime/Prison system we have now.

and Free abortion eXponentially the best Investment our Govt ever made. A $1000 abortion can, and has, saved us $1 Million hideous lives.
And Crime continued to Fall in the 16 years since this article.

THE ABORTED CRIME WAVE?
A controversial article links the recent drop in crime to the legalization of abortion two decades ago
By Marguerite Holloway
Dec 1999 - Scientific American
Now here, w/o illustrations
US: The Aborted Crime Wave?

Since the early 1990s Crime has Fallen Annually in the U.S., last year by about 7%. Many explanations have been put forward for this drop: more police walk the beat, more people are in prison, the economy has improved, crack use has fallen, alarms and guards are now widespread. The emphasis given to any one of these rationales varies, of course, according to philosophical bent or political expediency. In New York City, for instance, plummeting crime has been attributed to improved policing. Yet the decline exists even in cities that have not altered their approach, such as Los Angeles.
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CRIME RATES dropped after 1991, just when children born after Roe v. Wade would be reaching 18.
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And again, Crime rates continued to fall through 2015.
 
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