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Roe v Wade Was Wrongly Decided

TurtleDude said:
well if abortion is illegal and someone wants an abortion what are the alternatives once you make safe and legal abortion ILLEGAL?
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Oh I see, so people are forced to break the law because they want to break the law. Great logic my good man.
 
Jack Hays said:
I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.

Norma McCorvey
1947–2017
Norma McCorvey, ‘Jane Roe’ of Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, dies at 69




When she filed suit in 1970, McCorvey was not looking for a sweeping ruling for all women but simply the right to legally and safely end a pregnancy that she did not wish to carry forward. The Supreme Court ruled 7 to 2 in 1973 that the constitutional right to privacy includes the choice to terminate a pregnancy. McCorvey later became a born-again Christian and a rallying figure for antiabortion activists.

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Oh my, boy am I asking for it by posting on abortion...but you're talking about case-law, not opinion, so I'll risk it :)

Roe is about protecting a man's private property rights until the State has a "compelling interest" to violate it.

Let that sink in.

Re-read Roe and tell me where the ruling grants the WOMAN a RIGHT to abortion.

It does not.

Roe protects the records of THE PHYSICIAN'S property.

Wrather you think the ruling is right or wrong is up to you, but Roe grants no RIGHT to abortion. Let's at least be clear on that.

victus qui se victus
 
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BlackBook said:
Oh my, boy am asking for it by posting on abortion...but you're talking about caselaw, not opinion, so I'll risk it :)

Roe is about protecting a man's private property rights until the State has a "compelling interest" to violate it.

Let that sink in.

Reread Roe and tell me where the ruling grants the WOMAN a RIGHT to abortion.

It does not.

Roe protects the records aa THE PHYSICIAN'S property.

victus qui se victus
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Careful, you'll make their pointy little heads explode.
 
Quazimodo said:
Why is it always with the "back alleys...throwing them into jail?" Surely a lad as clever and urbane as yourself is capable of coming up with a solution...Oh, that would be a solution where you won't have to sell your soul to Mephistopheles.

Abortion is murder. But, what the heck, kill as many as you want. You've got the LAW on your side.
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if Abortion is truly a sin in the eyes of your God, then if he exists, he has the power to deal with it in his world. But right now, there is no valid interest in this society to ban it in most cases
 
TurtleDude said:
if Abortion is truly a sin in the eyes of your God, then if he exists, he has the power to deal with it in his world. But right now, there is no valid interest in this society to ban it in most cases
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The function of a pendulum is to swing.
 
TurtleDude said:
that might have been a swing

but it also was a miss

that was no answer
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Grasshopper, it was only an answer for the sentient. When you find your soul, you will find the answer.
 
Quazimodo said:
Grasshopper, it was only an answer for the sentient. When you find your soul, you will find the answer.
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I don't spend much time worrying about myths. its best to live your life if its the only one you have
 
Quazimodo said:
Peace be with you.
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waʿalaykumu s-salām

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-salamu_alaykum

Quazimodo said:
When a society is willing to exchange its conscience for a ruling from a 9 member court, then it has lost its soul.
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It took a lot more than those 9 people, before and since. Don't pretend the SC made a decision from thin air and it goes uncontested either before or since. But I guess we know where you're coming from. Theocratic dictatorship much?

You got some nerve claiming the Western world has lost its soul. Your fantasy of theocratic dictatorship being better is a load of crap.

Perhaps you'd like to give us examples of societies that still have their soul? Let me guess... Iran?
 
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Jack Hays said:
I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.

Norma McCorvey
1947–2017
Norma McCorvey, ‘Jane Roe’ of Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, dies at 69




When she filed suit in 1970, McCorvey was not looking for a sweeping ruling for all women but simply the right to legally and safely end a pregnancy that she did not wish to carry forward. The Supreme Court ruled 7 to 2 in 1973 that the constitutional right to privacy includes the choice to terminate a pregnancy. McCorvey later became a born-again Christian and a rallying figure for antiabortion activists.

  • By Emily Langer
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Good idea, lets do our best to divide the country up even more. Rights are rights and they don't change because you cross a State line.
 
Jetboogieman said:
This is a theory, not a fact.

After Roe vs. Wade, abortion was a made up issue by the far right wing to rally Evangelical voters and give them something to be angry and passionate about so they'd go the polls, evangelicals are shot for shot one of the most reliable voters in the entire body politic and this issue is a major driver.

If not abortion, it would be something else and today's poisonous political landscape comes from far more complex causes than just abortion.

Once it was a difference in political theory and policy ideas.

At this particular moment it's a difference of reality as we know it.

One could argue actually, that, that started with Climate Change Denial in the 90's... Something you unfortunately propagate at an incredible rate.

But in closing, female reproductive rights should not be up for debate, Big Government Conservative Theocratic busybodies are virtually the only people concerned with this nonsense and I wish they'd just bugger off with it.
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You are so right. If they ever get abortion banned, contraception will be next. It has nothing to do with life, it is about punishing "whores".
 
ecofarm said:
waʿalaykumu s-salām

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-salamu_alaykum



It took a lot more than those 9 people, before and since. Don't pretend the SC made a decision from thin air and it goes uncontested either before or since. But I guess we know where you're coming from. Theocratic dictatorship much?

You got some nerve claiming the Western world has lost its soul. Your fantasy of theocratic dictatorship being better is a load of crap.

Perhaps you'd like to give us examples of societies that still have their soul? Let me guess... Iran?
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Your proffer doesn't even merit a response. It was that boring. Tah-tah.
 
Quazimodo said:
Your proffer doesn't even merit a response. It was that boring. Tah-tah.
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Like I care what you think about a post of mine. I exposed your theocratic dictatorship loving BS. Do you think I expected you to flat-out admit it? Do you think I expected you to reply with "Yes, Iran still has its soul unlike the West"?
 
Northern Light said:
Thanks for calling anyone who has a differing but articulate opinion than yours an idiot.
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First of all, no I didn't as you are not an idiot you should know I didn't. And secondly, seriously? Did you happen to catch the first few replies from pro choicers in this thread. :lol:
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
Yes the both of you want elective abortion to be illegal because you both are certain it takes the life of a human (which it does according to medical science) and that it is unjustifiable in most cases (philosophical/ethical stance.) All humans under your position all have equal value and shouldn't be killed for social or economic reasons (philosophical/ethical stance.)

That sounds about right?
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Pretty close. I just object to killing babies. It's a little disheartening that that's so difficult to understand by some.
 
X Factor said:
Pretty close. I just object to killing babies. It's a little disheartening that that's so difficult to understand by some.
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I oppose killing babies too. That's why I support abortion rights. It's better to kill fetuses than babies.
 
TurtleDude said:
well if abortion is illegal and someone wants an abortion what are the alternatives once you make safe and legal abortion ILLEGAL?
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Lots of people want things that are illegal. That doesn't mean society is forcing them to hurt themselves or risk jail time. If you're willing to risk your own life or possibly have health problems for the rest of your life just to kill your baby, then you've got issues. But this is all moot anyway. Abortion will never be illegal in this country.
 
ecofarm said:
Like I care what you think about a post of mine. I exposed your theocratic dictatorship loving BS. Do you think I expected you to flat-out admit it? Do you think I expected you to reply with "Yes, Iran still has its soul unlike the West"?
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You can't expose the truth with lies.
 
Jetboogieman said:
This is a theory, not a fact.

After Roe vs. Wade, abortion was a made up issue by the far right wing to rally Evangelical voters and give them something to be angry and passionate about so they'd go the polls, evangelicals are shot for shot one of the most reliable voters in the entire body politic and this issue is a major driver.

If not abortion, it would be something else and today's poisonous political landscape comes from far more complex causes than just abortion.

Once it was a difference in political theory and policy ideas.

At this particular moment it's a difference of reality as we know it.

One could argue actually, that, that started with Climate Change Denial in the 90's... Something you unfortunately propagate at an incredible rate.

But in closing, female reproductive rights should not be up for debate, Big Government Conservative Theocratic busybodies are virtually the only people concerned with this nonsense and I wish they'd just bugger off with it.
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And here is a fine example of the way our politics has been poisoned.
 
Henrin said:
You can't expose the truth with lies.
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He clearly said that he opposes abortion because god. Well...**** god. We don't live in god's country. We live on man's country. God can go fly a kite.
 
Moot said:
It was left to the states and they weren't protecting the safety of women and that's why it went to the high court. The price might've been too high for you...but it certainly wasn't for millions of women who could finally get safe abortions.
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Abortion rights would have gained enough ground in enough states to substantially address the need. My point about poisoning our national politics still stands.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I disagree.

Our national politics, such as they are isn't a result of Roe v Wade. It's about anger at politicians that only line their pockets. It's about neither side listening to other other, only talking over anyone that doesn't agree. It's about what feels good over what should be done. Roe v Wade was an instance of something that was done because it should have been done. If we went as you suggested then it would have been what feels good. Rights should always be protected no matter the cost. The fact that millions have died in the name of Rights demands that. It might be easier to let the States decide the issue of abortion. But it wouldn't be the right thing to do. The easiest path isn't always the right one.

There is many many things wrong with our national politics atm. But to be honest I see the abortion issue as being the very least of those problems. At best.
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We will indeed have to disagree. I believe the phenomenon of neither side listening to the other began with the absolutist claims of both sides in Roe v Wade.
 
BlackBook said:
Oh my, boy am I asking for it by posting on abortion...but you're talking about case-law, not opinion, so I'll risk it :)

Roe is about protecting a man's private property rights until the State has a "compelling interest" to violate it.

Let that sink in.

Re-read Roe and tell me where the ruling grants the WOMAN a RIGHT to abortion.

It does not.

Roe protects the records of THE PHYSICIAN'S property.

Wrather you think the ruling is right or wrong is up to you, but Roe grants no RIGHT to abortion. Let's at least be clear on that.

victus qui se victus
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Hmmm. Have you shared this insight with the SCOTUS? Or the various marchers who descend on Washington on both sides of the issue?
 
iguanaman said:
Good idea, lets do our best to divide the country up even more. Rights are rights and they don't change because you cross a State line.
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On the contrary, many do. And letting states choose their own paths is often the best way to keep the country united.
 
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