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Roe v Wade Was Wrongly Decided

Total population of the US: 318.9 million
Total of abortions since 1972: 57,762,169

Btw, saying abortion is fine because it lowers crime is a pretty immoral argument, imho.
 
Yes - we're talking about abortion, not Muslims.

He was talking about killing. Why are you OK with killing innocent Muslims but not unwanted fetuses? Do explain.
 
He was talking about killing. Why are you OK with killing innocent Muslims but not unwanted fetuses? Do explain.

Why won't you stop beating your wife?
 
I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.




When she filed suit in 1970, McCorvey was not looking for a sweeping ruling for all women but simply the right to legally and safely end a pregnancy that she did not wish to carry forward. The Supreme Court ruled 7 to 2 in 1973 that the constitutional right to privacy includes the choice to terminate a pregnancy. McCorvey later became a born-again Christian and a rallying figure for antiabortion activists.

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It was left to the states and they weren't protecting the safety of women and that's why it went to the high court. The price might've been too high for you...but it certainly wasn't for millions of women who could finally get safe abortions.
 
Total population of the US: 318.9 million
Total of abortions since 1972: 57,762,169

Btw, saying abortion is fine because it lowers crime is a pretty immoral argument, imho.

The numbers get even more fun when you break it down by race since roe v. wade. Anyone want to guess what percent of the black population was aborted since roe v. wade? How about the percentage of the population of whites that was aborted since roe v. wade?
 
The numbers get even more fun when you break it down by race since roe v. wade. Anyone want to guess what percent of the black population was aborted since roe v. wade? How about the percentage of the population of whites that was aborted since roe v. wade?

So, you're saying that now all of a sudden you want more black people voting Democrat?
 
You might as well be speaking another language. They don't understand and don't want to.


Yes the both of you want elective abortion to be illegal because you both are certain it takes the life of a human (which it does according to medical science) and that it is unjustifiable in most cases (philosophical/ethical stance.) All humans under your position all have equal value and shouldn't be killed for social or economic reasons (philosophical/ethical stance.)

That sounds about right?
 
So, you're saying that now all of a sudden you want more black people voting Democrat?

I'm saying if you actually put all the black abortions from all the years since roe v. wade together and weigh that against the black population today it becomes apparent that the black community has been hit very hard by abortion. If you do the same thing for all races it becomes apparent that abortion has hit all races hard. The only reason this isn't called genocide is because the unborn aren't legally seen as people, but in every other way imaginable it's genocide.
 
I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.

Abortion is murder, but so is cow killing. The Bible says he who slew an ox is if he had slewn a man. Chicken has a heartbeat, cow has a heartbeat. Weeding your garden is murder.

I don't care much about the woman's right. I think we are given too many rights. I'd just as soon see a woman has not the right to do such a thing. Certainly the decision and right to do such a thing must be the woman's.

We should take into account that most abortions now-a-days are chemical and in the first trimester.

I would be just as happy counselors at Planned Parenthood encourage adoption rather than abortion, I am happy with my tax dollars being spent on Planned Parenthood and abortions. The more the merrier.

Do you want the Heathen to crowd out all the births that come from good Christian homes? (or Muslim if you prefer, just say, "what if he said Muslim there instead of Christian then what would this mean to me?") Do you want to pay welfare so she can raise this child? Wouldn't you rather she take some pill and get a job.

Those souls should be encouraged by the human contact and get back in line and try for a better home.
 
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Abortion is murder.

murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a human. so your claim is incorrect I am pro choice. I also believe Roe V Wade was an extremely poorly reasoned and written case.
 
I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.

I disagree.

Our national politics, such as they are isn't a result of Roe v Wade. It's about anger at politicians that only line their pockets. It's about neither side listening to other other, only talking over anyone that doesn't agree. It's about what feels good over what should be done. Roe v Wade was an instance of something that was done because it should have been done. If we went as you suggested then it would have been what feels good. Rights should always be protected no matter the cost. The fact that millions have died in the name of Rights demands that. It might be easier to let the States decide the issue of abortion. But it wouldn't be the right thing to do. The easiest path isn't always the right one.

There is many many things wrong with our national politics atm. But to be honest I see the abortion issue as being the very least of those problems. At best.
 
I'm saying if you actually put all the black abortions from all the years since roe v. wade together and weigh that against the black population today it becomes apparent that the black community has been hit very hard by abortion. If you do the same thing for all races it becomes apparent that abortion has hit all races hard. The only reason this isn't called genocide is because the unborn aren't legally seen as people, but in every other way imaginable it's genocide.

In other words.......... no way. "Hit hard" assumes it to be a bad thing, which is moot at best.
 
I'm saying if you actually put all the black abortions from all the years since roe v. wade together and weigh that against the black population today it becomes apparent that the black community has been hit very hard by abortion. If you do the same thing for all races it becomes apparent that abortion has hit all races hard. The only reason this isn't called genocide is because the unborn aren't legally seen as people, but in every other way imaginable it's genocide.

Just think of them as 50 million fewer Democrat Voters. You'll feel better.
 
murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a human. so your claim is incorrect I am pro choice. I also believe Roe V Wade was an extremely poorly reasoned and written case.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Using the law to defend the murder of a defenseless fetus is only further evidence of the moral, ethical, and cultural depravity endemic in a certain segment of our society, a segment which is amply capable of killing a living, breathing being as long as it knows it has the law on its side. When a society is willing to exchange its conscience for a ruling from a 9 member court, then it has lost its soul.
 
In other words.......... no way. "Hit hard" assumes it to be a bad thing, which is moot at best.

Yes, because losing double digits in percentage of your population because women are killing off their unborn children is not a problem. You didn't really think before posting, did you?
 
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You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Using the law to defend the murder of a defenseless fetus is only further evidence of the moral, ethical, and cultural depravity endemic in a certain segment of our society, a segment which is amply capable of killing a living, breathing being as long as it knows it has the law on its side. When a society is willing to exchange its conscience for a ruling from a 9 member court, then it has lost its soul.

so tell me how are the interests of society advanced by forcing women into back alley abortions and perhaps throwing them into jail?
 
so tell me how are the interests of society advanced by forcing women into back alley abortions and perhaps throwing them into jail?

How are they being forced into back alleys when abortion is made illegal? No really, how does that work? You appear to be skipping a step there in the process to conclude that the law is the party forcing them to have their abortions in back alleys. Is there a reason you removed her decision to get the back alley abortion?
 
How are they being forced into back alleys when abortion is made illegal? No really, how does that work? You appear to be skipping a step there in the process to conclude that the law is the party forcing them to have their abortions in back alleys. Is there a reason you removed her decision to get the back alley abortion?

oh let me guess, you are claiming if abortions are banned no one will ever get pregnant and want to end that pregnancy

good thinking there Henrin
 
oh let me guess, you are claiming if abortions are banned no one will ever get pregnant and want to end that pregnancy

good thinking there Henrin

That's not a rebuttal. How about you try to tell how a law banning abortion forces them to get back alley abortions?
 
That's not a rebuttal. How about you try to tell how a law banning abortion forces them to get back alley abortions?

well if abortion is illegal and someone wants an abortion what are the alternatives once you make safe and legal abortion ILLEGAL?
 
so tell me how are the interests of society advanced by forcing women into back alley abortions and perhaps throwing them into jail?

Why is it always with the "back alleys...throwing them into jail?" Surely a lad as clever and urbane as yourself is capable of coming up with a solution...Oh, that would be a solution where you won't have to sell your soul to Mephistopheles.

Abortion is murder. But, what the heck, kill as many as you want. You've got the LAW on your side.
 
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