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2nd Amendment limits exercise of 1st Amendment

Yes, you are correct. At least Colorado appear to be a gun-friendly state. There are numerous pro-gun rallies, gun shows, signs, bumper stickers, shooting ranges, etc. You hear very little to the contrary. Call it ignorance if you'd like, but keep in mind that this state voted for Clinton (although she was pro-2nd amendment, Trump seemed to capture this issue). So I think there is a lot more anti-gun sentiment (or at least the extremist viewpoints) here than meets the eyes and ears, which is why I created this thread.

Lol at Clinton being pro 2nd amendment.
 
Some people won't freely express their ideas, for fear that somebody might shoot them. This may seem strange to many, but there are a lot of quiet people out there, who have very firm opinions about guns, especially assault weapons. They will not express these opinions, for fear. Three of my five siblings and my wife are in this category.

There is little doubt that the pro-gun lobby is heard much more than the anti-gun lobby.

I'll take "Made up stuff that ain't true for $500, Alex."
 
These are very real fears. And often justified...

Stop the proliferation of guns by ending the fear Connservative opinion, discussing fear.

First off, no idea if this James C. Salwitz is a Conservative or not. Nothing in his bio suggests that he is a conservative or liberal. Second, he's an oncologist. A cancer doctor. He has no expertise in psychology. His article is nothing more than an appeal to emotional fallacy. He gives no facts, much less any evidence to what he DOES say.

This says nothing about people being in fear of talking out against guns.


First: The Center for American Progress is your typical "progressive" group that has always been anti-gun. Much of what they say MUST be taken with a handful of salt at best. They like to lie. Alot. For example:

From the article you provided:
Yet under federal law and the law in most states, individuals who have been convicted of hate crimes remain free to buy and possess guns.

This is a straight out lie as anyone convicted of a hate crime (which is a felony just by itself) is normally also convicted of other crimes in conjunction with the charge of "hate crime". And by federal law anyone that has a felony record may not legally own guns. Period.

This says nothing about people being in fear of talking out against guns.


This one mainly talks about hate groups, and the decline of trust in the government, possibly as an excuse as to why hate groups have expanded their numbers.

This says nothing about people being in fear of talking out against guns.


Judging from this guy's statements on the Founders I'd say he's rather anti-gun. Be that as it may though this was written right after the Sandy Hook incident. A time when many were so offended by what happened that they let their emotions run away instead of using actual logic. Like the fact that the weapons used were legally owned by the mother and stolen from her after she was killed by her son. Nothing that any of the "common sense" idea's he mentions would have stopped in the slightest.

This says nothing about people being in fear of talking out against guns.


This is nothing more than a summary of what's in a book. Without reading the book there's nothing to say about it. Can't even tell you whether it talks about your claim or not. Though judging from the questions the book is supposed to talk about I'd say no, it doesn't.


This is about a boy that was shot by a stray bullet shot by someone having an argument with another person several blocks away. This says nothing about people being in fear of talking out against guns.


This is nothing more than someones take on the NRA. This says nothing about people being in fear of talking out against guns.

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/why-jews-hate-guns.htm (This is actually a pro-amendment 2 article that discusses the fears).

Nothing in this discusses the fear to speak out against guns because they might be shot.

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Nothing in this article even mentions guns. Much less the fear about talking out against guns.

So, nothing that you have presented here says anything about people living in fear to speak out for gun control because they're afraid they'll get shot.
 
Some people won't freely express their ideas, for fear that somebody might shoot them. This may seem strange to many, but there are a lot of quiet people out there, who have very firm opinions about guns, especially assault weapons. They will not express these opinions, for fear. Three of my five siblings and my wife are in this category.

There is little doubt that the pro-gun lobby is heard much more than the anti-gun lobby.

Did NOT know the bully left were into guns . Safe zone anyone ?
 
First off, no idea if this James C. Salwitz is a Conservative or not. Nothing in his bio suggests that he is a conservative or liberal. Second, he's an oncologist. A cancer doctor. He has no expertise in psychology. His article is nothing more than an appeal to emotional fallacy. He gives no facts, much less any evidence to what he DOES say.

This says nothing about people being in fear of talking out against guns.

Start with the 1st item. From the text it certainly does talk about fear.

Once upon a time, most guns were owned by people with the maturity to control their use. Lawmen, hunters, marksman, and owners of vulnerable property used firearms as tools and exercised a high level of safety. However, guns have massively proliferated and are in the grasp of those without the capacity or desire to limit their violence. So now, instead of improving or protecting life, guns guarantee no one is safe and the children die.

The critical question regarding any infestation or disease, which kills thousands of people, is how does it spread? What is the method of contagion? Lyme disease is spread by tick, lung cancer by smoking and diabetes by overeating and limited exercise. What do guns need to proliferate and kill? Fear.
 
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This one mainly talks about hate groups, and the decline of trust in the government, possibly as an excuse as to why hate groups have expanded their numbers.

This says nothing about people being in fear of talking out against guns.

These "hate" groups are exactly the element that I contend would prevent somebody from speaking up about their true feelings on guns. I'm amazed that we can't agree on this. The mathematical formula is simple: HATE + GUNS = FEAR
 
Start with the 1st item. From the text it certainly does talk about fear.

Once upon a time, most guns were owned by people with the maturity to control their use. Lawmen, hunters, marksman, and owners of vulnerable property used firearms as tools and exercised a high level of safety. However, guns have massively proliferated and are in the grasp of those without the capacity or desire to limit their violence. So now, instead of improving or protecting life, guns guarantee no one is safe and the children die.

The critical question regarding any infestation or disease, which kills thousands of people, is how does it spread? What is the method of contagion? Lyme disease is spread by tick, lung cancer by smoking and diabetes by overeating and limited exercise. What do guns need to proliferate and kill? Fear.

Yes, it talks about fear. But not the kind of fear that you are talking about. The fear that is being talked about is the fear of violent crimes. Not the fear of being shut up for expressing a view point.
 
This is nothing more than someones take on the NRA. This says nothing about people being in fear of talking out against guns.

Before I go on, I would like to thank you from reading the articles. The main point of this article, I believe, was towards the end, where it does mention the fear of guns ---

The NRA and its adherents want us to bristle with alertness to danger, keeping a loaded gun within reach at all times. But where is the concern for people who want to live without fear of guns entering their lives? The three students in Chapel Hill could not make this choice. They were in the shelter of their own homes, but random, shocking violence found them anyway.
 
These "hate" groups are exactly the element that I contend would prevent somebody from speaking up about their true feelings on guns. I'm amazed that we can't agree on this. The mathematical formula is simple: HATE + GUNS = FEAR

Its a false formula. It's not the guns causing fear. Its the intimidation by hate groups. And its not an intimidation based against expressing an anti-gun view point. Its an intimidation based on religious hate, racial hate etc etc. If anyone is afraid to speak up its not against guns. It's against those hate groups. You could take guns completely out of the equation and people would still be afraid to speak up against those hate groups. Guns are not the only tools used for violence you know. And THAT is why your formula is false. It presumes that guns are the only reason that people would not speak up.
 
Before I go on, I would like to thank you from reading the articles. The main point of this article, I believe, was towards the end, where it does mention the fear of guns ---

The NRA and its adherents want us to bristle with alertness to danger, keeping a loaded gun within reach at all times. But where is the concern for people who want to live without fear of guns entering their lives? The three students in Chapel Hill could not make this choice. They were in the shelter of their own homes, but random, shocking violence found them anyway.

First: You're welcome.

Still has nothing to do with being afraid to speak up against guns. Being afraid of guns is completely different than being afraid to speak up because they think some gun owner will shoot them just because they spoke up. If there is such a thing then its simply an irrational fear. About on par with being afraid of a balloon. In which case they should seek counseling. But we certainly shouldn't be making some sort of law about it or because of it.
 
Nothing in this article even mentions guns. Much less the fear about talking out against guns. So said:
You are correct, guns are not mentioned. The Neo-Nazi group issued it's statement. It's hard to imagine that they would follow-through on their threats, which incited such fear at a University, with anything but firearms.

Students reported feeling fear, concern that the flyer was related to possible terror, and a sense of not knowing what could come next — all of which was received with joy by The Daily Stormer, a group that appears to thrive on such reactions.
 
You are correct, guns are not mentioned. The Neo-Nazi group issued it's statement. It's hard to imagine that they would follow-through on their threats, which incited such fear at a University, with anything but firearms.

Students reported feeling fear, concern that the flyer was related to possible terror, and a sense of not knowing what could come next — all of which was received with joy by The Daily Stormer, a group that appears to thrive on such reactions.

It wasn't that long ago a terrorist used a car and a few knifes at Ohio State....

Also, you can make bombs out of common products you can find in your house.

You don't need a gun to instill fear or kill people, it only takes the will to do so.

A gun is a tool nothing more, nothing less
 
Yes, it talks about fear. But not the kind of fear that you are talking about. The fear that is being talked about is the fear of violent crimes. Not the fear of being shut up for expressing a view point.

I view these as the same. Most violent crimes occur because of a disagreement. If the group or individual that disagrees with one exercising free speech, is heavily armed, the sign holder puts himself/herself at risk. This is no revelation. Anytime one speaks up about anything, the person runs the risk of somebody not agreeing with them, and victimizing them. This could be verbal abuse, a scuffle, rock-throwing, or any other retaliation. In the case of speaking up against guns, the potential consequences are much greater.
 
You are correct, guns are not mentioned. The Neo-Nazi group issued it's statement. It's hard to imagine that they would follow-through on their threats, which incited such fear at a University, with anything but firearms.

Students reported feeling fear, concern that the flyer was related to possible terror, and a sense of not knowing what could come next — all of which was received with joy by The Daily Stormer, a group that appears to thrive on such reactions.

Notice the key word there....reported. IE: They spoke up. What did they speak up about? A hate group trying to intimidate them.

And no, its actually not that hard. Most crimes in this country are committed with something other than a gun. The only reason that guns are automatically thought of is because crimes committed by people using guns get the most attention.
 
I view these as the same. Most violent crimes occur because of a disagreement. If the group or individual that disagrees with one exercising free speech, is heavily armed, the sign holder puts himself/herself at risk. This is no revelation. Anytime one speaks up about anything, the person runs the risk of somebody not agreeing with them, and victimizing them. This could be verbal abuse, a scuffle, rock-throwing, or any other retaliation. In the case of speaking up against guns, the potential consequences are much greater.

If it is greater than surely you can provide examples of people being shot for expressing their anti-gun beliefs? It can only have the possibility of being greater if there are actual incidents of it happening.
 
I view these as the same. Most violent crimes occur because of a disagreement. If the group or individual that disagrees with one exercising free speech, is heavily armed, the sign holder puts himself/herself at risk. This is no revelation. Anytime one speaks up about anything, the person runs the risk of somebody not agreeing with them, and victimizing them. This could be verbal abuse, a scuffle, rock-throwing, or any other retaliation. In the case of speaking up against guns, the potential consequences are much greater.

Paranoid BS seeking victim status.
 
Joe has an irrational fear of snakes.


His neighbor Bob has three pet snakes, two Boas and a Python.


Joe has every right to expect Bob to NOT bring his snakes into Joe's home, nor put them on Joe for a joke, nor stick them in Joe's face to watch him freak out.


However, Joe has NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to expect Bob to get rid of his pet snakes just because Joe has an irrational fear that they will sneak out some night and come visiting him in his bed.




Get it?
 
Joe has an irrational fear of snakes.


His neighbor Bob has three pet snakes, two Boas and a Python.


Joe has every right to expect Bob to NOT bring his snakes into Joe's home, nor put them on Joe for a joke, nor stick them in Joe's face to watch him freak out.


However, Joe has NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to expect Bob to get rid of his pet snakes just because Joe has an irrational fear that they will sneak out some night and come visiting him in his bed.




Get it?

Absolutely, and I am in 100% agreement. Again, I have made no statement about taking away anybody's guns. I am merely stating that fear of guns, prevents many people from speaking up about the issue.
 
Absolutely, and I am in 100% agreement. Again, I have made no statement about taking away anybody's guns. I am merely stating that fear of guns, prevents many people from speaking up about the issue.

You can understand how it's hard for us 2A folks to buy that, right?
 
Absolutely, and I am in 100% agreement. Again, I have made no statement about taking away anybody's guns. I am merely stating that fear of guns, prevents many people from speaking up about the issue.




Well, they're being silly then. There are plenty of people out there making noise and carrying signs, and nobody is shooting at them.
 
Some people won't freely express their ideas, for fear that somebody might shoot them. This may seem strange to many, but there are a lot of quiet people out there, who have very firm opinions about guns, especially assault weapons. They will not express these opinions, for fear. Three of my five siblings and my wife are in this category.

There is little doubt that the pro-gun lobby is heard much more than the anti-gun lobby.

This board is filled with idiotic claims from the gun rights hating left and this is just another one to add to the list. The anti gun lobby is given millions of dollars worth of free advertising by the MSM and many main stream entertainment shows have an anti gun message in them. there are lots of really stupid people out there who are anti gun: its a feeling that appeals to the low wattage and low information voters.

most shootings that are illegal are done by people who are hardly lobbying for firearms owners rights. Criminals generally support gun control
 
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