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Goshin said:
You must be joking... I found these in less than 2 minutes...




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Like I said, nonsense and/or paranoia.
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Thanks for that. I'm glad to see that there are people like me, especially the 3rd picture. I believe most of these rallies are in large cities, where there are some local gun control laws. I live in Colorado. You don't see much of that here, as a matter-of-fact, I have seen none of that. But I have seen a lot of the fear that I mentioned.
 
Media_Truth said:
Thanks for that. I'm glad to see that there are people like me, especially the 3rd picture. I believe most of these rallies are in large cities, where there are some local gun control laws. I live in Colorado. You don't see much of that here, as a matter-of-fact, I have seen none of that. But I have seen a lot of the fear that I mentioned.
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Then you know a lot of bigoted, timid, ignorant people, irrationally afraid of those who think differently from them.
 
Media_Truth said:
Thanks for that. I'm glad to see that there are people like me, especially the 3rd picture. I believe most of these rallies are in large cities, where there are some local gun control laws. I live in Colorado. You don't see much of that here, as a matter-of-fact, I have seen none of that. But I have seen a lot of the fear that I mentioned.
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If they REALLY think someone is going to shoot them for having an opposed opinion.... that's pretty irrational.
 
Goshin said:
If they REALLY think someone is going to shoot them for having an opposed opinion.... that's pretty irrational.
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I have a feeling that it's both an irrational fear, and that he's overplaying the actual amount of it.
 
I got to say, I can't recall a single case in my life of hearing about a person being shot for speaking out in favor of gun control.
 
Media_Truth said:
Some people won't freely express their ideas, for fear that somebody might shoot them. This may seem strange to many, but there are a lot of quiet people out there, who have very firm opinions about guns, especially assault weapons. They will not express these opinions, for fear. Three of my five siblings and my wife are in this category.

There is little doubt that the pro-gun lobby is heard much more than the anti-gun lobby.
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I don't see it. But if a small number of potential usurpers are afraid of voicing their un-American unconstitutional viewpoints, I consider that a good thing.
 
Media_Truth said:
Actually, my sister and her husband do own guns, but they are very anti-assault weapon, but will not voice this for reasons mentioned.
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Actual assault weapons, or the gun grabber disingenuous propaganda description of "assault weapons"?
 
Media_Truth said:
Actually, my sister and her husband do own guns, but they are very anti-assault weapon, but will not voice this for reasons mentioned.
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Because they should know better if they are actually gun owners, and yes people would disagree with them for good reasons and no, no one would shoot them over it. Good Grief where do you get such nonsense? Personally, I do not care if others do not want to own firearms or specific ones, just so long as they do not try taking away the same choice for others, that is where your rights end and mine begin.
 
 
Media_Truth said:
Perhaps for some, it's peer pressure. For others, it's FEAR.
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And fear is often irrational, fear of imaginary things that don't happen. It is a natural response to perceived threats.
 
Media_Truth said:
These are very real fears. And often justified...

Stop the proliferation of guns by ending the fear Connservative opinion, discussing fear.

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...31670/hate-and-guns-a-terrifying-combination/

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism

The Proliferation of Powerful Guns | The Huffington Post (Conservative Outlet)

Gun violence - IUCAT

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/us/chicago-gun-violence-video-shooting/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ns-but-i-hate-the-nra/?utm_term=.2d8c62986d14

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/why-jews-hate-guns.htm (This is actually a pro-amendment 2 article that discusses the fears).

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/bre...fear-on-american-college-campuses/2016/03/27/
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I don't have time to read thru all that, can you sum up?

And for that matter don't bother summing up the SPLC as they are nutbars, or Huffington and Puffington Post, which is so far left they think Centist is Far-Right.

Do any of those links detail actual incidents where a previously lawful gun owner SHOT someone because that person expressed a pro-gun-control opinion? If so, how many such incidents? (Hint: it would need to be more than single digits --- in a nation of 330 million people --- to justify the concern.)
 
Media_Truth said:
These are very real fears. And often justified...

Stop the proliferation of guns by ending the fear Connservative opinion, discussing fear.

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...31670/hate-and-guns-a-terrifying-combination/

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism

The Proliferation of Powerful Guns | The Huffington Post (Conservative Outlet)

Gun violence - IUCAT

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/us/chicago-gun-violence-video-shooting/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ns-but-i-hate-the-nra/?utm_term=.2d8c62986d14

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/why-jews-hate-guns.htm (This is actually a pro-amendment 2 article that discusses the fears).

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/bre...fear-on-american-college-campuses/2016/03/27/
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And yet, the actual crime numbers refute your idiotic and bigoted "fear" of Second Amendment supporters completely.

Not that you really believe a word you're saying.
 
I looked at a few of those links. Saw a lot of bull**** and hysteria and unfactual nonsense.
 
Media_Truth said:
Some people won't freely express their ideas, for fear that somebody might shoot them. This may seem strange to many, but there are a lot of quiet people out there, who have very firm opinions about guns, especially assault weapons. They will not express these opinions, for fear. Three of my five siblings and my wife are in this category.

There is little doubt that the pro-gun lobby is heard much more than the anti-gun lobby.
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Nonsense. Drama queen posturing.
 
Goshin said:
I looked at a few of those links. Saw a lot of bull**** and hysteria and unfactual nonsense.
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From your response, I can't discern what your argument is? Are you saying that there isn't fear in some people's hearts to speak their mind? Are you saying that they may be feeling fear, but that it's irrational? Are you saying that personal gun ownership would help to alleviate their fears. Are you saying that anything that doesn't agree with your opinions is bull****.
 
Media_Truth said:
From your response, I can't discern what your argument is? Are you saying that there isn't fear in some people's hearts to speak their mind? Are you saying that they may be feeling fear, but that it's irrational? Are you saying that personal gun ownership would help to alleviate their fears. Are you saying that anything that doesn't agree with your opinions is bull****.
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I'm saying their fear, if real, is as irrational as a fear of soap. Given that this thing they fear, being shot for expressing support for gun control, doesn't appear to happen very often if ever.

Someone's irrational fear is not my problem. If they don't like scary (so-called "assault") rifles then don't come to my house or my shooting range. If they had an irrational fear of cows I'd tell 'em stay off the ranch but otherwise not my problem.

If someone shoots you, 99.9% odds it WON'T be a lawful gun owner with a Scary "Assault" Rifle, it will probably be a felon with an illegal handgun who shoots you while in commission of some other crime, or some member of your OWN family who has gone off their meds or is fed up with being shat upon. Check FBI stats, truth trumps irrational fear.
 
Media_Truth said:
How about this? You show me News Stories of people holding up some type of sign for Banning Assault Weapons. I bet you have trouble finding them...
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That's because there are very few people who want to ban guns, of any type.
 
2014 FBI stats... total murders 11,961....murders by handgun 5562.... murders by Rifles (including "assault" rifles!) 248.... by KNIFE 1,567 .... by BLUNT OBJECT 435...


Now why exactly are you scared of "assault" rifles again?

https://www.quandl.com/data/FBI/WEAPONS11-US-Murders-by-Weapon-Type


And most murderers are not lawful gun owners to start with...

However, according to the DOJ's 1998 Felony Defendants in Large Urban Counties report, 58% of all murderers had at least one felony conviction, 70% had other convictions, and 81% had arrest records. While misdemeanors and arrest records are not the no-questions-ban of a felony conviction, they are serious impediments to legally buying guns, particularly in large urban counties which tend to have stricter gun laws, and, ironically, more gun violence. Obviously, these 60-80% go in Bucket 2.
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Goshin said:
I'm saying their fear, if real, is as irrational as a fear of soap. Given that this thing they fear, being shot for expressing support for gun control, doesn't appear to happen very often if ever.

Someone's irrational fear is not my problem. If they don't like scary (so-called "assault") rifles then don't come to my house or my shooting range. If they had an irrational fear of cows I'd tell 'em stay off the ranch but otherwise not my problem.

If someone shoots you, 99.9% odds it WON'T be a lawful gun owner with a Scary "Assault" Rifle, it will probably be a felon with an illegal handgun who shoots you while in commission of some other crime, or some member of your OWN family who has gone off their meds or is fed up with being shat upon. Check FBI stats, truth trumps irrational fear.
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You may be correct about the handgun statement. There are nutcases out there with guns, and people know that. You see quite a few in my state of Colorado. They are quite vocal about what they will do to somebody who rubs them the wrong way. I wouldn't put it beyond them to take some pot-shots at some demonstrators, carrying anti-assault weapons or other gun-control signs. You wonder why people fear these people? Check this one out:

John Joe Gray: How America's longest running police standoff shows no signs of ending | Daily Mail Online

But Gray posted bond and left, never showing up again in court. Gray then sent a handwritten letter on dusty notebook paper telling authorities that they'd 'better bring plenty of body bags' if they stormed his compound, said Gary Thomas, a former investigator for Anderson County prosecutors.
 
Casper said:
Because they should know better if they are actually gun owners, and yes people would disagree with them for good reasons and no, no one would shoot them over it. Good Grief where do you get such nonsense? Personally, I do not care if others do not want to own firearms or specific ones, just so long as they do not try taking away the same choice for others, that is where your rights end and mine begin.
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As I mentioned, I'm a gun-owner as well. Do you live in the West? You might be surprised. Read the link on my last entry, about the compound in Texas.
 
Media_Truth said:
You may be correct about the handgun statement. There are nutcases out there with guns, and people know that. You see quite a few in my state of Colorado. They are quite vocal about what they will do to somebody who rubs them the wrong way. I wouldn't put it beyond them to take some pot-shots at some demonstrators, carrying anti-assault weapons or other gun-control signs. You wonder why people fear these people? Check this one out:

John Joe Gray: How America's longest running police standoff shows no signs of ending | Daily Mail Online

But Gray posted bond and left, never showing up again in court. Gray then sent a handwritten letter on dusty notebook paper telling authorities that they'd 'better bring plenty of body bags' if they stormed his compound, said Gary Thomas, a former investigator for Anderson County prosecutors.
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Dear and fluffy PT Barnum.... apples and avocados. :doh
 
Media_Truth said:
Thanks for that. I'm glad to see that there are people like me, especially the 3rd picture. I believe most of these rallies are in large cities, where there are some local gun control laws. I live in Colorado. You don't see much of that here, as a matter-of-fact, I have seen none of that. But I have seen a lot of the fear that I mentioned.
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I think I understand the issue now. The reason you don't see it often is not the fear of being shot but the fear of being laughed at. Colorado is a pretty famous state for it's hunting and is a pretty gun friendly state (or was at least). Most people with knowledge of guns think people that hold up signs like that are pretty ignorant of what they are talking about.
 
Nap said:
I think I understand the issue now. The reason you don't see it often is not the fear of being shot but the fear of being laughed at. Colorado is a pretty famous state for it's hunting and is a pretty gun friendly state (or was at least). Most people with knowledge of guns think people that hold up signs like that are pretty ignorant of what they are talking about.
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Yes, you are correct. At least Colorado appear to be a gun-friendly state. There are numerous pro-gun rallies, gun shows, signs, bumper stickers, shooting ranges, etc. You hear very little to the contrary. Call it ignorance if you'd like, but keep in mind that this state voted for Clinton (although she was pro-2nd amendment, Trump seemed to capture this issue). So I think there is a lot more anti-gun sentiment (or at least the extremist viewpoints) here than meets the eyes and ears, which is why I created this thread.
 
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