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Tigerace117 said:
Somebody dumb enough to think that Jade Helm 15 was a plot to "invade Texas" and had the Texas State Guard watching the exercise "just in case".....

I wouldn't put anything past him.
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How do you know it wasn't an attempt by the Feds to gauge public response?

Gov. Abbott did this at the request on concern citizens, not on his own. You know, like a good governor does.
 
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Henrin said:
You mean because there was trade disputes between states? I wonder what activities taking place only in New York have to do with a trade dispute between states. Oh right, nothing.
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Gibbons v. Ogden happened in New York
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Gibbons v. Ogden happened in New York
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Did you seriously just appeal to the Supreme Court? :lamo
 
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WCH said:
Texas Governor Greg Abbot is calling for a Constitutional Convention of the States to bring Washington politicians back in line with the rule of law, and the spirit of the Constitution.

If you are unfamiliar with what a Constitutional Convention is, it’s pretty simple. Article V of the Constitution makes it clear that Congress has the power to amend the Constitution by adding Amendments. Most people understand that it is Congress, and not the president, no matter how mighty his pen or phone may be, that writes the laws.

In addition, however, Article V also gives the same power to amend the Constitution to the states. The states can convene, propose an amendment, and as long as there is a 3/4 agreement from the states, that amendment shall be ratified.

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Finding agreement to changes would be a challenge, I guess.
 
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Henrin said:
Did you seriously just appeal to the Supreme Court? :lamo
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I can point to historical precedent of cases involving the comerce clause, gibbons v Ogden being one of the landmark cases, as evidence.

What do you have.
 
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MaggieD said:
The Supremacy Clause states Federal trumps state when there is a conflict. Perhaps it's time for an Amendment....?
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No, silly. We've always done it this way! (Most dangerous example of state-sponsored attempts to suppress dissent)...
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
I can point to historical precedent of cases involving the comerce clause, gibbons v Ogden being one of the landmark cases, as evidence.

What do you have.
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So appealing to the government and the branch that people are claiming is out of line is a way you plan to make your argument? Ok??
 
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Henrin said:
So appealing to the government and the branch that people are claiming is out of line is a way you plan to make your argument? Ok??
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I am also appealing to the constitution, the same one used by the government and Supreme Court to make thier decisions.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Quite ironic.

He knew full well what secession was going to bring, even if most of his citizens were too delusional to figure it out.
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Have you ever read what Houston's argument was? Sam Houston's Proslavery Argument Against Secession

Do you understand that in the lead-up to the Civil War, Texas was a very young state that had been a republic and that those times are NOT necessarily comparable to 2016?
 
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WCH said:
Texas Governor Greg Abbot is calling for a Constitutional Convention of the States to bring Washington politicians back in line with the rule of law, and the spirit of the Constitution.

If you are unfamiliar with what a Constitutional Convention is, it’s pretty simple. Article V of the Constitution makes it clear that Congress has the power to amend the Constitution by adding Amendments. Most people understand that it is Congress, and not the president, no matter how mighty his pen or phone may be, that writes the laws.

In addition, however, Article V also gives the same power to amend the Constitution to the states. The states can convene, propose an amendment, and as long as there is a 3/4 agreement from the states, that amendment shall be ratified.

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I agree with number 1.
Number 2 could be a problem in times of war, unless that is made an exception to the amendment.
Number 3 and 4 are fine.
Number 5 is what the article is about already, and should not be brought up since Article 5 already allows for this with a 3/4 vote of the states by amending the Constitution.
Number 6 is ridiculous - Marbury v. Madison - it's been the law of the land since 1803. The founding fathers didn't try to change this, and neither should we.
Number 7 is okay.
Number 8? States already have standing if a federal action impacts the state, so I don't understand where this one's coming from?
Number 9 is Nullification, which is antithetical to a Constitutional Republic based on a federalist system. In other words, if this is what we want, we may as well shut the federal government down completely (including the military), and have the states become independent nations that deal with the other states by treaty instead.

Should we convene a Constitutional Convention, only pain and suffering will ensue if all of the points in that list are brought up for a vote, and it may lead to a second civil war before it's all over.

A very limited Constitutional Convention, with only one or two amendments may be possible to accomplish without tearing the country apart. But, it would have to be LIMITED to the one or two amendments, or it would get completely out of hand, and our country may not survive.
 
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It would go over as good as the dp constitutional convention did. :lol:
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
I am also appealing to the constitution, the same one used by the government and Supreme Court to make thier decisions.
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You mean the same constitution that the courts used when it ruled that sterilizing women was constitutional and preferable in certain situation like incest? The ironic thing about that whole thing is that the courts used that same exact ruling(which is still standing btw) when they decided Roe v. Wade.
 
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WCH said:
Texas Governor Greg Abbot is calling for a Constitutional Convention of the States to bring Washington politicians back in line with the rule of law, and the spirit of the Constitution.

If you are unfamiliar with what a Constitutional Convention is, it’s pretty simple. Article V of the Constitution makes it clear that Congress has the power to amend the Constitution by adding Amendments. Most people understand that it is Congress, and not the president, no matter how mighty his pen or phone may be, that writes the laws.

In addition, however, Article V also gives the same power to amend the Constitution to the states. The states can convene, propose an amendment, and as long as there is a 3/4 agreement from the states, that amendment shall be ratified.

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Texas is like that yippy little Chihuahua, all they do is bark and nothing more.

This is nothing more than the Mark Levin crowd sabre rattling. He's been mentioning this for YEARS.
 
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Henrin said:
You mean the same constitution that the courts used when it ruled that sterilizing women was constitutional and preferable in certain situation like incest? The ironic thing about that whole thing is that the courts used that same exact ruling(which is still standing btw) when they decided Roe v. Wade.
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The constitution is what is it is.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
The constitution is what is it is.
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Where does it stay or imply that the federal government has the power to force sterilization on women?
 
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Henrin said:
Where does it stay or imply that the federal government has the power to force sterilization on women?
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Is this a argument over strict constructionist and liberal constructionist views of the constitution?
 
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There isn't going to be a Constitutional Convention. I cant believe I have to tell people that.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
I can point to historical precedent of cases involving the comerce clause, gibbons v Ogden being one of the landmark cases, as evidence.

What do you have.
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I can foresee a time where the Commerce Clause rulings from the 1930's and 1940's would be overturned by future courts, or by amendment to the Constitution. FDR's laws that were upheld as constitutional by the FDR era SCOTUS, are specious at best and will eventually go the way of Plessy v. Ferguson.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Is this a argument over strict constructionist and liberal constructionist views of the constitution?
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It's a straight up question over the bull**** that the idiot Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. thought the constitution says on the matter.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
I can foresee a time where the Commerce Clause rulings from the 1930's and 1940's would be overturned by future courts, or by amendment to the Constitution. FDR's laws that were upheld as constitutional by the FDR era SCOTUS, are specious at best and will eventually go the way of Plessy v. Ferguson.
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The court shifted way before FDR appointed Hugo Black as his first nominee.

The court shifted with West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish. in 1937.

Personally I want to see the lochner era remain in the dustbin of history.
 
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WCH said:
Texas Governor Greg Abbot is calling for a Constitutional Convention of the States to bring Washington politicians back in line with the rule of law, and the spirit of the Constitution.

If you are unfamiliar with what a Constitutional Convention is, it’s pretty simple. Article V of the Constitution makes it clear that Congress has the power to amend the Constitution by adding Amendments. Most people understand that it is Congress, and not the president, no matter how mighty his pen or phone may be, that writes the laws.

In addition, however, Article V also gives the same power to amend the Constitution to the states. The states can convene, propose an amendment, and as long as there is a 3/4 agreement from the states, that amendment shall be ratified.

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Just a quick glance shows #5 will never fly, with it being outright UnConstitutional - even if they change the Constitution!

5 - Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision.
 
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Henrin said:
It's a straight up question over the bull**** that the idiot Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. thought the constitution says on the matter.
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You have a beef with Oliver Wendell Holmes jr., one of the greatest of the Supreme Court justices of all time?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
The court shifted way before FDR appointed Hugo Black as his first nominee.

The court shifted with West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish. in 1937.

Personally I want to see the lochner era remain in the dustbin of history.
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Those 1930's/40's rulings expanded the Commerce Clause from being restricted to Interstate Commerce, as the clause is actually written, to also include Intrastate Commerce. That needs to be corrected.
 
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Am I the only one that thinks this sounds like a total ticket to anarchy?
 
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