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Wow! VW Engineer gets 40 Months

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Well, lesson here is don't break the law, even if your boss threatens to fire you.

Liang’s lawyer, Daniel Nixon, on Friday urged Cox to consider a sentence of house arrest, saying Liang was not a “mastermind” of the emissions fraud. Liang “blindly executed a misguided loyalty to his employer,” Nixon said.

VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case | Reuters

And, maybe, just maybe, don't hire a lawyer named Nixon if the judge's name is Cox. :lol:
 
Still waiting for bankers to be imprisoned.


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Well, lesson here is don't break the law, even if your boss threatens to fire you.



And, maybe, just maybe, don't hire a lawyer named Nixon if the judge's name is Cox. :lol:

If you work for a German company, your defense probably should not be, "It isn't my fault, I was just following orders from the leader."
 
If you work for a German company, your defense probably should not be, "It isn't my fault, I was just following orders from the leader."

Brilliant analysis.
 
Off hand it seem to be an over the top punishment to a low level employee who did not benefit himself even given the amount of money involved.
 
Off hand it seem to be an over the top punishment to a low level employee who did not benefit himself even given the amount of money involved.

judge said he was pivotal in the design of the fraud
the stiff sentence is intended to set an example
higher level executives are pending trial or sentencing; maybe one or more will now decide to cooperate with the prosecution to avoid a very harsh sentence if (when) convicted

the convicted vw employee remains employed by vw, only not as an engineer

he had a viable option to do the right thing while covering his ass at vw: become an anonymous whistleblower
 
Well, lesson here is don't break the law, even if your boss threatens to fire you.



And, maybe, just maybe, don't hire a lawyer named Nixon if the judge's name is Cox. :lol:

True. As head of diesel motors development he was not the Don. He was only a middle management thug that participated in a multi billion dollars internationally organized fraud that accepted damage to people's lives and tens of thousands of deaths. I'm surprised that RICO was used.
 
judge said he was pivotal in the design of the fraud
the stiff sentence is intended to set an example
higher level executives are pending trial or sentencing; maybe one or more will now decide to cooperate with the prosecution to avoid a very harsh sentence if (when) convicted

the convicted vw employee remains employed by vw, only not as an engineer

he had a viable option to do the right thing while covering his ass at vw: become an anonymous whistleblower

You think it was stiff? There have been a couple of studies that imply that the number of deaths these guys knowingly caused is in the tens of thousands. And participating in internationally organised multi billion dollar crime is in itself rather naughty.
 
Off hand it seem to be an over the top punishment to a low level employee who did not benefit himself even given the amount of money involved.

He was given an opportunity to flip on his bosses, and he did not.
 
You think it was stiff? There have been a couple of studies that imply that the number of deaths these guys knowingly caused is in the tens of thousands. And participating in internationally organised multi billion dollar crime is in itself rather naughty.

the fine was 10X what the prosecution sought
 
judge said he was pivotal in the design of the fraud
the stiff sentence is intended to set an example
higher level executives are pending trial or sentencing; maybe one or more will now decide to cooperate with the prosecution to avoid a very harsh sentence if (when) convicted

the convicted vw employee remains employed by vw, only not as an engineer

he had a viable option to do the right thing while covering his ass at vw: become an anonymous whistleblower
whistleblowers are likely to be fired.
 
Nuremberg defense doesn't fly well in Germany.


I will say, however, that...whatever he got, his boss should get.
 
You think it was stiff? There have been a couple of studies that imply that the number of deaths these guys knowingly caused is in the tens of thousands. And participating in internationally organised multi billion dollar crime is in itself rather naughty.

Come on tens of thousands of deaths by having a small percent of all cars/trucks on the roads being dirty then claim for a decade or so.

Love to know what studies came up with such nonsense on it face and as a footnote being an older person who had been exposed to all manner of diesel fumes over six plus decades of life I should be dead many years ago if such fumes are that harmful.

Yes such fumes are not good for your health but once more pulling such a numbers out of the fumes full air seems to be complete nonsense.

Unless you have a job such as working in a car tunnel taking tolls or whatever, if you do not wish to die from lung problems just do not be a smoker or around a smoker for that matter.
 
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Come on tens of thousands of deaths by having a small percent of all cars/trucks on the roads being dirty then claim for a decade or so.

Love to know what studies came up with such nonsense on it face and as a footnote being an older person who had been exposed to all manner of diesel fumes over six plus decades of life I should be dead many years ago if such fumes are that harmful.

Yes such fumes are not good for your health but once more pulling such a numbers out of the fumes full air seems to be complete nonsense.

Unless you have a job such as working in a car tunnel taking tolls or whatever, if you do not wish to die from lung problems just do not be a smoker or around a smoker for that matter.
Yeah. I don't see this as "deadly." It's not a lie over safety issues. It was non-compliance of a pollution standard. And, there is no way that VW had enough vehicles in the marketplace to cause even one death yet alone "tens of thousands."
 
Come on tens of thousands of deaths by having a small percent of all cars/trucks on the roads being dirty then claim for a decade or so.

Love to know what studies came up with such nonsense on it face and as a footnote being an older person who had been exposed to all manner of diesel fumes over six plus decades of life I should be dead many years ago if such fumes are that harmful.

Yes such fumes are not good for your health but once more pulling such a numbers out of the fumes full air seems to be complete nonsense.

Unless you have a job such as working in a car tunnel taking tolls or whatever, if you do not wish to die from lung problems just do not be a smoker or around a smoker for that matter.

Are you telling me that you haven't checked out the reasons for the capping legislation? I mean, that regulation is expensive and the fines and compensation has been quite substantial. You never looked through the reasons behind that?
 
the fine was 10X what the prosecution sought

For participating in organizing international crimes of that severity including deaths? That is as bad as Madoff any day.
 
Are you telling me that you haven't checked out the reasons for the capping legislation? I mean, that regulation is expensive and the fines and compensation has been quite substantial. You never looked through the reasons behind that?

I am sure that diesel fumes are not all that health but tens of thousands of deaths from one fleet of diesel vehicles, in a ten year period, being dirty then claim seems completely nonsense on it very face.

Hell diesels trucks had been around for over a hundred years and for most to that time period far dirty then anything we have none days and there was not ten of thousands truckers and such dying from their fumes.

Nonsense on it face is nonsense.
 
Well, lesson here is don't break the law, even if your boss threatens to fire you.



And, maybe, just maybe, don't hire a lawyer named Nixon if the judge's name is Cox. :lol:

Sucks to be the scape goat.
The real crooks won't even be investigated.
 
how do they know who the anonymous whistleblower is in order to fire him

Most whistle-blowing requires some sort of identification. Particularly unscrupulous companies may actually put effort into tracking down people who wish to remain anonymous. I don't know if that's what happened here or if VW would have done so. However, to say "should have called the fraud detection" is too simplistic.
 
Most whistle-blowing requires some sort of identification. Particularly unscrupulous companies may actually put effort into tracking down people who wish to remain anonymous. I don't know if that's what happened here or if VW would have done so. However, to say "should have called the fraud detection" is too simplistic.

how would vw know who anonymously blew the whistle on the fraud being perpetrated
answer that and i will then acknowledge you have a point
 
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