Workers are EXPENDABLE. That's not mean, it's reality.

[Renae]

Welcome folks to reality.

You, the worker, are an expendable asset to whatever company you work for. If you don't understand this, you need perspective.

It's not evil, it's not cruel. It's TRUTH.

You are hired to help provide said company with a service, your skills which helps said company, realize profits. Those profits are not for you, they are for those whom have a vested interest in the company, the investors.

Because let's face reality kids, companies don't get started on charity. Someone, or a group of people come up with an idea, called a business plan. They use this to attract investors who believe that plan will lead to profit. So they invest THEIR money for gain.

As the company grows, and is successful, more investors are drawn in. And thus more people are hired, like you. When there is an economic down turn, or the company runs into hard times through various factors from mis management to just bad luck... the people that placed their money into the company, the investors, get worried.

What the management get's faced with is often the choice between firing/laying off XX% of the company to increase profitability or having investors pull out, which could cause a run on the company and have it go out of business.

So You, the Worker, are an EXPENDABLE ASSET.

That's not evil, it's not "acidic". It's reality.

 

[PeteEU]

So You, the Worker, are an EXPENDABLE ASSET.

That's not evil, it's not "acidic". It's reality.

Yes you are correct.. problem is your definition of a worker I suspect.. are bankers and CEOs included in that? How about political cronies? It is always funny how right wingers find union members as "expendable" but when it comes to bankers and people in the financial industry that get huge bonuses for failure and have the tax-payer bail them out when they screw up.. you and your lot give them a free pass and even protect them..

Everyone is expendable, even the companies and politicians.... that is reality, not only "workers".

 

[spud_meister]

Workers are expendable? Try firing an entire middle management team and see how far a business gets. And anyway, your premise is flawed, workers aren't an asset, they're an investment, subtle but important difference there.

 

[molten_dragon]

So You, the Worker, are an EXPENDABLE ASSET.

I'm fine with companies that think this way, as long as they don't expect any loyalty out of me in return. If I'm going to be treated as an expendable asset, then they'll be treated the same way.

 

[Renae]

Yes you are correct.. problem is your definition of a worker I suspect.. are bankers and CEOs included in that? How about political cronies? It is always funny how right wingers find union members as "expendable" but when it comes to bankers and people in the financial industry that get huge bonuses for failure and have the tax-payer bail them out when they screw up.. you and your lot give them a free pass and even protect them..

Everyone is expendable, even the companies and politicians.... that is reality, not only "workers".

Hello, I said WORKERS. That means everyone from the CEO on down. I did not differentiate. However, often it's the upper management that has been entrusted with making the changes. If they fail, they get fired. I'm giving no one a free pass, you're just mired in class warfare populism and see things I did not say, and make claims I did not make. A common theme in your posts.

 

[Renae]

Workers are expendable? Try firing an entire middle management team and see how far a business gets. And anyway, your premise is flawed, workers aren't an asset, they're an investment, subtle but important difference there.

No, they are an expendable asset. My assessment is 100% correct.

 

[spud_meister]

No, they are an expendable asset. My assessment is 100% correct.

No, you start firing people higher up and it'll lead to profit loss, the amount of time and money a business invests in a person vs. the profit they bring in is often a fine line, and the more expirienced a person is, they higher the difference, to fire someone in middle management or higher, is more often than not a net loss for a business.

 

[Renae]

No, you start firing people higher up and it'll lead to profit loss, the amount of time and money a business invests in a person vs. the profit they bring in is often a fine line, and the more expirienced a person is, they higher the difference, to fire someone in middle management or higher, is more often than not a net loss for a business.

That's why, generally the upper/middle management isn't cut enmasse, but case by case basis, and they get the bigger $$.

 

[spud_meister]

That's why, generally the upper/middle management isn't cut enmasse, but case by case basis, and they get the bigger $$.

Exactly, thus workers aren't expendable, and are an investment.

 

[Renae]

Exactly, thus workers aren't expendable, and are an investment.

No...

They are still expendable. It's the level of expandability that is in question. I think we're getting however, into the realm of semantic disagreement here.

 

[PeteEU]

Hello, I said WORKERS. That means everyone from the CEO on down. I did not differentiate. However, often it's the upper management that has been entrusted with making the changes. If they fail, they get fired. I'm giving no one a free pass, you're just mired in class warfare populism and see things I did not say, and make claims I did not make. A common theme in your posts.

HAHAHA

Yea, right upper management get fired with a golden parachute worth millions... that is IF they get fired.. How many were fired due to the bailouts? pretty much NONE. Many are still there, getting billions in bonuses.

So again, "the class warefare" is something that upper management creates by targeting the worker before themselves... rather fire 30 people than loose your own wages eh?

 

[Renae]

HAHAHA

Yea, right upper management get fired with a golden parachute worth millions... that is IF they get fired.. How many were fired due to the bailouts? pretty much NONE. Many are still there, getting billions in bonuses.

So again, "the class warefare" is something that upper management creates by targeting the worker before themselves... rather fire 30 people than loose your own wages eh?

See class warfare.

They get all that because that's how investors attract what they hope is the BEST talent. It's their money,a nd how they wish to spend it is on them.

 

[Wiseone]

Of course everyone is expendable to one degree or another, the very fact that people die means companies have to have a plan for when someone leaves work. I really don't understand the point of this topic it just seems like an attempt not to make any argument but insult the "other side" by suggesting they think individuals, especially blue collar workers, are not expendable at all. Heck I don't think any guy working on a car assembly line who's job it is to screw it 4 bolts every day over and over and over again thinks he's not expendable, unless he's delusional.

 

[Renae]

Of course everyone is expendable to one degree or another, the very fact that people die means companies have to have a plan for when someone leaves work. I really don't understand the point of this topic it just seems like an attempt not to make any argument but insult the "other side" by suggesting they think individuals, especially blue collar workers, are not expendable at all. Heck I don't think any guy working on a car assembly line who's job it is to screw it 4 bolts every day over and over and over again thinks he's not expendable, unless he's delusional.

I used that phrase, "workers are expendable" in another thread and had someone say "And this is where I part with Conservatives, over such acidic remarks". Truth it seems, is more then some can handle.

 

[Divine Wind]

Of course everyone is expendable to one degree or another, the very fact that people die means companies have to have a plan for when someone leaves work.

Agreed. Saying "workers are expendable" without also stating that so is everyone else is very politically slanted.

 

[ARealConservative]

sure, but so are employers.

 

[Mr. Invisible]

Welcome folks to reality.

You, the worker, are an expendable asset to whatever company you work for. If you don't understand this, you need perspective.

It's not evil, it's not cruel. It's TRUTH.

You are hired to help provide said company with a service, your skills which helps said company, realize profits. Those profits are not for you, they are for those whom have a vested interest in the company, the investors.

Because let's face reality kids, companies don't get started on charity. Someone, or a group of people come up with an idea, called a business plan. They use this to attract investors who believe that plan will lead to profit. So they invest THEIR money for gain.

As the company grows, and is successful, more investors are drawn in. And thus more people are hired, like you. When there is an economic down turn, or the company runs into hard times through various factors from mis management to just bad luck... the people that placed their money into the company, the investors, get worried.

What the management get's faced with is often the choice between firing/laying off XX% of the company to increase profitability or having investors pull out, which could cause a run on the company and have it go out of business.

So You, the Worker, are an EXPENDABLE ASSET.

That's not evil, it's not "acidic". It's reality.

How are workers expendable when they are the ones that allow the company to create its wealth and to be able to post profits?

Actually, workers are a crucial asset of any business and thus not always extremely expendable.

Edit: Thought about the concept a bit more and realized that Mr V was talking about business as a whole and realized that in some industries a worker may be extremely expendable (eg fast food place, Walmart) while in other areas they may not be so expendable (eg an accountant for AIG)

Also, Mr V are you talking about in all economic conditions or just current ones?

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Welcome folks to reality.

You, the worker, are an expendable asset to whatever company you work for. If you don't understand this, you need perspective.

It's not evil, it's not cruel. It's TRUTH.

You are hired to help provide said company with a service, your skills which helps said company, realize profits. Those profits are not for you, they are for those whom have a vested interest in the company, the investors.

Because let's face reality kids, companies don't get started on charity. Someone, or a group of people come up with an idea, called a business plan. They use this to attract investors who believe that plan will lead to profit. So they invest THEIR money for gain.

As the company grows, and is successful, more investors are drawn in. And thus more people are hired, like you. When there is an economic down turn, or the company runs into hard times through various factors from mis management to just bad luck... the people that placed their money into the company, the investors, get worried.

What the management get's faced with is often the choice between firing/laying off XX% of the company to increase profitability or having investors pull out, which could cause a run on the company and have it go out of business.

So You, the Worker, are an EXPENDABLE ASSET.

That's not evil, it's not "acidic". It's reality.

Which is why it's so important to do your best at your job. . . exceptional employees stay around longer.

 

[Renae]

How are workers expendable when they are the ones that allow the company to create its wealth and to be able to post profits?

Actually, workers are a crucial asset of any business and thus not always extremely expendable.

Edit: Thought about the concept a bit more and realized that Mr V was talking about business as a whole and realized that in some industries a worker may be extremely expendable (eg fast food place, Walmart) while in other areas they may not be so expendable (eg an accountant for AIG)

Also, Mr V are you talking about in all economic conditions or just current ones?

Generally speaking. While it's TRUE workers are how profits become reality, they are a... a necessary evil as it were.

 

[Barbbtx]

Of course everyone is expendable to one degree or another, the very fact that people die means companies have to have a plan for when someone leaves work. I really don't understand the point of this topic it just seems like an attempt not to make any argument but insult the "other side" by suggesting they think individuals, especially blue collar workers, are not expendable at all. Heck I don't think any guy working on a car assembly line who's job it is to screw it 4 bolts every day over and over and over again thinks he's not expendable, unless he's delusional.

If that guy is content to screw in 4 bolts over and over, he is expendable. I've worked assembly lines. I wasn't content doing one job. I made sure I took every opportunity to learn others. Eventually I could replace almost everyone if they had a sick day, vacation or just for a break. People can make themselves more valuable to a company if they put in a little effort.

 

[Divine Wind]

Generally speaking. While it's TRUE workers are how profits become reality, they are a... a necessary evil as it were.

Just like managers. Go figure.

 

[Divine Wind]

If that guy is content to screw in 4 bolts over and over, he is expendable.

I come from a family of strong military traditionalists. I was raised in the military and served myself for 21 years. To say a combat soldier is more important than a cook or supply clerk ignores the obvious that if no one did those jobs, the job wouldn't get done. Each person's job is part of the effectiveness of the entire unit. The world's great combat soldier is severly hampered if he is starving, lacks proper supplies like clothing and ammo or isn't properly trained and supported.

Yes, that job of putting in four bolts may not take much training or skill and, therefore, may not offer much career potential or pay, but to say it is "expendable" is naive. The job is essential and the person doing it should be properly compensated for doing it.

 

[samsmart]

Welcome folks to reality.

You, the worker, are an expendable asset to whatever company you work for. If you don't understand this, you need perspective.

It's not evil, it's not cruel. It's TRUTH.

You are hired to help provide said company with a service, your skills which helps said company, realize profits. Those profits are not for you, they are for those whom have a vested interest in the company, the investors.

Because let's face reality kids, companies don't get started on charity. Someone, or a group of people come up with an idea, called a business plan. They use this to attract investors who believe that plan will lead to profit. So they invest THEIR money for gain.

As the company grows, and is successful, more investors are drawn in. And thus more people are hired, like you. When there is an economic down turn, or the company runs into hard times through various factors from mis management to just bad luck... the people that placed their money into the company, the investors, get worried.

What the management get's faced with is often the choice between firing/laying off XX% of the company to increase profitability or having investors pull out, which could cause a run on the company and have it go out of business.

So You, the Worker, are an EXPENDABLE ASSET.

That's not evil, it's not "acidic". It's reality.

Workers are an expendable asset. However, workers are not the only expendable asset. That's what CEOs and managers should realize.

Also, workers understand about lay-offs in bad economic times. What workers don't understand is why CEOs should be able to afford private planes and other luxuries during boom cycles when instead that money might be better served to bulwark a company during inevitable bust times.

Also, why should workers suffer when it is the executives that make the bad decisions that put the company at risk? If workers are the group that gets the most punished, then perhaps they should have more say in the operations of a company.

So you're right in a few things, but ignore other things, especially such things in which the workers can help the company grow and make good decisions concerning it's viability.

 

[Barbbtx]

I come from a family of strong military traditionalists. I was raised in the military and served myself for 21 years. To say a combat soldier is more important than a cook or supply clerk ignores the obvious that if no one did those jobs, the job wouldn't get done. Each person's job is part of the effectiveness of the entire unit. The world's great combat soldier is severly hampered if he is starving, lacks proper supplies like clothing and ammo or isn't properly trained and supported.

Yes, that job of putting in four bolts may not take much training or skill and, therefore, may not offer much career potential or pay, but to say it is "expendable" is naive. The job is essential and the person doing it should be properly compensated for doing it.

Someone needs to do it, so you are correct. However, if that person is content to only screw in bolts all day, he's not adding to his job security. He could be replaced by a robot. I wasn't trying to belittle any jobs, just stating there are ways to make yourself less "expendable" in just about every job situation.

 

[Divine Wind]

Someone needs to do it, so you are correct. However, if that person is content to only screw in bolts all day, he's not adding to his job security. He could be replaced by a robot. I wasn't trying to belittle any jobs, just stating there are ways to make yourself less "expendable" in just about every job situation.

Yes, he could be replaced by a robot. That's what happens when someone prices themselves out of a job as the UAW did in the 70s and 80s. This doesn't negate the fact I disagree with your statement about workers being "expendable". The job needs to be done. Whether or not a person does it or a robot depends on the cost, doesn't it?

As a secondary point for this subject, I never belittle the job of someone which I wouldn't be willing to do myself. For this reason, I'm always nice to maids, janitors, garbagemen and other folks who work hard at tasks I'd rather avoid. I simply count my blessings.

BTW, I took Welding night classes at WCC last year for my post-retirement career. It was a lot of fun.