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Why "Trumpgate" is different.

Vetplus40

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For those of us old enough to remember Watergate, Iran-Contra and Whitewater, there is one significant difference in the investigations of those three in comparison to Trumpgate. For the previous three, the President at the time did not benefit from his party controlling Congress. With respect to Trump, he does. As such, he will enjoy some measure of latitude and partisan cover until such time as the evidence (if the investigation produces any) forces the Republicans (through election losses, or fear thereof) in Congress to remove Trump's "safety net".
 
The difference is that in the other cases there was actually something to investigate, it wasn't invented by the other side.
 
Mason66 said:
The difference is that in the other cases there was actually something to investigate, it wasn't invented by the other side.
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Whitewater was fruitful? It culminated in an impeachment proceeding over the President lying about getting a hummer.
 
Mason66 said:
The difference is that in the other cases there was actually something to investigate, it wasn't invented by the other side.
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It is confirmed fact that several members of Trump's administration lied to the feds and/or Congress regarding involvement with Russian figures. The investigation is to see how far up the chain that goes, as well as whether Trump obstructed justice by firing Comey.

That's not "invented," no matter how many times you guys stomp your feet and scream.
 
Vetplus40 said:
For those of us old enough to remember Watergate, Iran-Contra and Whitewater, there is one significant difference in the investigations of those three in comparison to Trumpgate. For the previous three, the President at the time did not benefit from his party controlling Congress. With respect to Trump, he does. As such, he will enjoy some measure of latitude and partisan cover until such time as the evidence (if the investigation produces any) forces the Republicans (through election losses, or fear thereof) in Congress to remove Trump's "safety net".
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Those other cases were brought out by hard investigation by real journalists. 'Trumpgate' is about opinion pieces and bloggers trying to tie in Trump's poor personnel choices to him without supporting evidence yet. This investigation may provide that evidence in time if it exists, but as of now there is nothing out there.
 
The difference is that in the other cases there was actually something to investigate, it wasn't invented by the other side.
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Well, m'dear, the Russian hacking and interference in our elections was not invented by Democrats, much as you would like to believe otherwise. Of course you can give me all your conspiracy theories about "deep state" and rouge CIA and so forth, and tell me that everything is just some evil liberal lie because you don't like the implications. The fact of the matter is that those people you are defaming are REAL people. They are real Americans, just like you. They go to work every day to do a good job. Just like
you. So go ahead and tell me that they are all all lying because you don't like to hear the truth.
 
"Trumpgate" is a DNC witch hunt, they won't stop until they find something and then blow it out of proportion. What Hillary is guilty of is far worse than Watergate and represents pure partisan protection. Never in my life have I seen a party so salty about losing an election, it's revolting.
 
Winston said:
Whitewater was fruitful? It culminated in an impeachment proceeding over the President lying about getting a hummer.
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Yes Whitewater was fruitful, a lot of people went to jail, not the right person, but a lot.
 
Kobie said:
It is confirmed fact that several members of Trump's administration lied to the feds and/or Congress regarding involvement with Russian figures. The investigation is to see how far up the chain that goes, as well as whether Trump obstructed justice by firing Comey.

That's not "invented," no matter how many times you guys stomp your feet and scream.
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The invented part is Russia swaying the election for Trump to win.
 
bearpoker said:
Well, m'dear, the Russian hacking and interference in our elections was not invented by Democrats, much as you would like to believe otherwise. Of course you can give me all your conspiracy theories about "deep state" and rouge CIA and so forth, and tell me that everything is just some evil liberal lie because you don't like the implications. The fact of the matter is that those people you are defaming are REAL people. They are real Americans, just like you. They go to work every day to do a good job. Just like
you. So go ahead and tell me that they are all all lying because you don't like to hear the truth.
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Again, the invented part is Russia swaying the election for Trump to win.

That didn't happen.
 
Kobie said:
Okay. Prove it.
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You show me how to prove a negative and I will get right on that.

Please show us how anything that Russia did swayed the election.

That is something Russia is proven to have done, not more conjecture.
 
digsbe said:
"Trumpgate" is a DNC witch hunt, they won't stop until they find something and then blow it out of proportion. What Hillary is guilty of is far worse than Watergate and represents pure partisan protection. Never in my life have I seen a party so salty about losing an election, it's revolting.
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Translation: I voted for a hideously corrupt individual simply because he had an R next to his name.
 
In America the burden of proof is on the accuser to provide. Many of the accusations against Trump have been under the assumption it is Trumps burden to prove innocence, when that is not one of the foundations of out justice system.
 
Puigb said:
Translation: I voted for a hideously corrupt individual simply because he had an R next to his name.
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I didn't vote for Trump, but if Dems really cared about election integrity and meddling affairs they'd be highlighting the Clinton/Lynch conspiracy and her foreign money donations via the Clinton foundation. It's nothing more than a way to attack a president they don't like. It has nearly nothing to do with any actual integrity. I mean they ****ing rigged their own election primary to ensure the establishment candidate got elected. At least the Republican primary was fair and the far from establishment candidate wasn't blocked via party corruption and cheating.
 
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Puigb said:
Translation: I voted for a hideously corrupt individual simply because he had an R next to his name.
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No that is not the translation.

Voting for a candidate does not cause other people to throw temper tantrums.
 
digsbe said:
I didn't vote for Trump, but if Dems really cared about election integrity and meddling affairs they'd be highlighting the Clinton/Lynch conspiracy and her foreign money donations via the Clinton foundation. It's nothing more than a way to attack a president they don't like. It has nearly nothing to do with any actual integrity.
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Seems to me that you don't want Trump and his minions investigated because the results of that investigation may turn up something you don't like.
 
Puigb said:
Translation: I voted for a hideously corrupt individual simply because he had an R next to his name.
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This past election the American people got royally screwed because we had to choose between

Hideously Corrupt Individual - R
or
Hideously Corrupt Individual - D
 
ModerateRN said:
This past election the American people got royally screwed because we had to choose between

Hideously Corrupt Individual - R
or
Hideously Corrupt Individual - D
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Can't argue that. They WERE (are still?) friends after all.
 
Puigb said:
Seems to me that you don't want Trump and his minions investigated because the results of that investigation may turn up something you don't like.
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Is a fishing expedition with no basis in reality OK just because it is Trump?

I would bet you would not be happy if a law enforcement agency investigated your life on a fishing expedition just to find something to charge you with, because eventually they would.
 
Mason66 said:
Is a fishing expedition with no basis in reality OK just because it is Trump?

I would bet you would not be happy if a law enforcement agency investigated your life on a fishing expedition just to find something to charge you with, because eventually they would.
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You call it what you want if it makes you feel better.
 
Puigb said:
Seems to me that you don't want Trump and his minions investigated because the results of that investigation may turn up something you don't like.
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No, I'm all for it, but the reality is it's a partisan witch hunt and the DNC needs to be investigated heavily too. If anything there is more evidence for their corruption and meddling over Trump. It's inconsistent partisan hackery.
 
Mason66 said:
Yes Whitewater was fruitful, a lot of people went to jail, not the right person, but a lot.
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There's the other difference, in both watergate and whitewater there was actually indictments by this point in the investigations.
 
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