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Why are LGBT people angered by Kevin Spacey's coming out statement?[W:159]

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When Rapp made accusations that Spacey made unwanted sexual advances at him when he was 14, Spacey issued an apology.....and also gave an official coming out statement that he is gay. Apparently there was a backlash from the gay community.

"Kevin Spacey has chosen the incorrect moment to assert his sexuality, particularly in this situation where he's being accused of something quite egregious."

Linda Riley, publisher of Diva magazine and co-founder of the British LGBT Awards, says it was "disappointing" that the actor chose this moment to come out, adding: "I felt it was deflecting from the allegations.
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Why are people angry about Kevin Spacey coming out? - BBC News

I don't think it was deflecting at all! I think, Spacey was trying to set the record straight (no pun intended).
He's not a pedophile. He's gay. That's what he's saying.

Who would want to be painted as a pedophile?


Anyway....he most likely knew what's about to happen. The gig is up.

US filmmaker Tony Montana claims he was groped by the actor in a Los Angeles bar in 2003.
Montana says he was left with PTSD for six months after he claims Spacey "forcefully" grabbed his crotch.

Film director Montana told Radar Online that he was in his thirties when the incident took place at the Coronet Bar in LA.

He says he removed Spacey's hand from his crotch and walked away, but claims the actor later followed him into the men's toilets.
'Routinely preyed'

Incidents regarding Spacey are also alleged to have taken place in the UK while the two-time Oscar winner was the artistic director at the Old Vic in London between 2004 and 2015.

Mexican actor Roberto Cavazos, who acted in several plays at the theatre, claims Spacey "routinely preyed" on young male actors.

"It seems the only requirement was to be a male under the age of 30 for Mr Spacey to feel free to touch us," he wrote in a Facebook post.
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Kevin Spacey: More allegations of sexual harassment surface - BBC News


No matter how you slice and dice it.....the allegations against him couldn't be for pedophilia.
Furthermore.... 14 is a "magic" number among gays too.
I know. I've had gay friends in university.
14 is allegedly the best age to initiate a newbie into gay sex.
 
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tosca1 said:
Whe Rapp made accusations that Spacey made unwanted sexual advances at him when he was 14, Spacey issued an apology.....and also gave an official coming out statement that he is gay. Apparently there was a backlash from the gay community.

I don't think it was deflecting at all! I think, Spacey was trying to set the record straight (no pun intended). He's not a pedophile. He's gay. That's what he's saying.
Who would want to be painted as a pedophile?
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Probably because being gay does not equate to being a pedophile.

tosca1 said:
That and the fact he chose this incident to "come out" makes it seem like he is trying to excise his alleged act by indicating it is a normal thing for a gay male to do.
Anyway....he most likely knew what's about to happen. The gig is up.

No matter how you slice and dice it.....the allegations against him couldn't be for pedophilia.
Furthermore.... 14 is a "magic" number among gays too.
I know. I've had gay friends in university.
14 is allegedly the best age to initiate a newbie into gay sex.
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Well, technically you are correct, since pedophilia (at least as defined) is:

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition". American Psychiatric Publishing. 2013.)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-DSM_5-1

So he is not technically a pedophile, and it is also true that many people are naturally attracted to people who are in the age range of 14 to 17, the natural period in human development when members of our species are physically "adult" and capable of successful breeding. However, social mores have changed over the last 120 years and this is no longer socially acceptable...in most Western Cultures.

Thus, he is perceived as a pedophile, and his acts reflect negatively on the rest of LGBT society...at least in the USA.

I will point out one important difference between Mr. Spacey and most other public figures accused of sexual misconduct.

He did not deny it. :no:

He states he may have done it, but he does not remember because he is alcoholic and drinks.

In a way this is a mea culpa; unfortunately for him this is no longer a social atmosphere where such honesty is considered a positive.
 
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tosca1 said:
No matter how you slice and dice it.....the allegations against him couldn't be for pedophilia.
Furthermore.... 14 is a "magic" number among gays too.
I know. I've had gay friends in university.
14 is allegedly the best age to initiate a newbie into gay sex.
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What in the world are you talking about? This should be in CT.
 
tosca1 said:
No matter how you slice and dice it.....the allegations against him couldn't be for pedophilia.
Furthermore.... 14 is a "magic" number among gays too.
I know. I've had gay friends in university.
14 is allegedly the best age to initiate a newbie into gay sex.
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Uhhhhh, what? :shock:
 
Captain Adverse said:
Probably because being gay does not equate to being a pedophile.
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That's the point isn't it? Being too sensitive about it.....LGBT seems to be implying it does equate to it!



That and the fact he chose this incident to "come out" makes it seem like he is trying to excise his alleged act by indicating it is a normal thing for a gay male to do. (Still typing don't quote)
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Sexual harassment happen everywhere - even among gays! Surely he knew what other groping and assaults he'd done....he knew there's a big chance that others would come out. And, they did come out.
 
tosca1 said:
That's what I was told by gay friends. They don't think of it as pedophilia.
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Statistics I once saw indicated that homosexual experimentation is quite wide spread in boarding schools between 12 and 16.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Probably because being gay does not equate to being a pedophile.



Well, technically you are correct, since pedophilia (at least as defined) is:

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition". American Psychiatric Publishing. 2013.

So he is not technically a pedophile, and it is also true that many people are naturally attracted to people who are in the age range of 14 to 17, the natural period in human development when members of our species are physically "adult" and capable of successful breeding. However, social mores have changed over the last 100 years and this is no longer socially acceptable...in most Western Cultures.

Thus, he is perceived as a pedophile, and his acts reflect negatively on the rest of LGBT society.
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I'm simply trying to put myself in the shoes of Spacey, why he'd come out the way he did. I think the LGBT are being too sensitive about this.
 
joG said:
Statistics I once saw indicated that homosexual experimentation is quite wide spread in boarding schools between 12 and 16.
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Understandable. And I don't think it's confined only to boarding schools.
That's the age of puberty - hormones and curiousity.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Probably because being gay does not equate to being a pedophile.



Well, technically you are correct, since pedophilia (at least as defined) is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-DSM_5-1

So he is not technically a pedophile, and it is also true that many people are naturally attracted to people who are in the age range of 14 to 17, the natural period in human development when members of our species are physically "adult" and capable of successful breeding. However, social mores have changed over the last 100 years and this is no longer socially acceptable...in most Western Cultures.

Thus, he is perceived as a pedophile, and his acts reflect negatively on the rest of LGBT society.
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This is simply an issue of image management. For some in the LGBT community, his being seen as a heterosexual pedophile is acceptable, but being seen as a homosexual pedophile is not.
 
tosca1 said:
Understandable. And I don't think it's confined only to boarding schools.
That's the age of puberty - hormones and curiousity.
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But this is not even remotely comparable to the situation at hand here. We're talking about a adult making sexual advances on a minor. That's not okay.
 
tosca1 said:
When Rapp made accusations that Spacey made unwanted sexual advances at him when he was 14, Spacey issued an apology.....and also gave an official coming out statement that he is gay. Apparently there was a backlash from the gay community.


Why are people angry about Kevin Spacey coming out? - BBC News

I don't think it was deflecting at all! I think, Spacey was trying to set the record straight (no pun intended).
He's not a pedophile. He's gay. That's what he's saying.

Who would want to be painted as a pedophile?


Anyway....he most likely knew what's about to happen. The gig is up.


Kevin Spacey: More allegations of sexual harassment surface - BBC News


No matter how you slice and dice it.....the allegations against him couldn't be for pedophilia.
Furthermore.... 14 is a "magic" number among gays too.
I know. I've had gay friends in university.
14 is allegedly the best age to initiate a newbie into gay sex.
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WTF :shock:

:lamo:lamo:lamo

Im guessing this thread will get flushed soon, holy insane conspiracy theories
 
TheGoverness said:
But this is not even remotely comparable to the situation at hand here. We're talking about a adult making sexual advances on a minor. That's not okay.
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Doesn't matter, fundies hate gays and will find any excuse to smear or associate them with anything that might go against the community.

Basically, that is what is going on here.
 
TheGoverness said:
But this is not even remotely comparable to the situation at hand here. We're talking about a adult making sexual advances on a minor. That's not okay.
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I was just responding to JoG's statement.

I'm not saying in any way it's okay to abuse a minor.
 
William Rea said:
Doesn't matter, fundies hate gays and will find any excuse to smear or associate them with anything that might go against the community.

Basically, that is what is going on here.
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:roll:

Here comes the victim-card!

You can't say anything about gays.....even when it's in the news.

I suppose William thinks Spacey is a fundie, out to deliberately smear the gay community.
Ohhhh, the drama! Can you manage to leave your emotions at the door?

My gay friend comes to mind - tears, sobbing and hankie, along with that hand-wringing. Once he gets to that state, comprehending him becomes futile. I miss him. :lol:
 
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tosca1 said:
I was just responding to JoG's statement.

I'm not saying in any way it's okay to abuse a minor.
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What are you trying to say? Because I'm confused on what point you're trying to make.
 
tosca1 said:
:roll:

Here comes the victim-card!

You can't say anything about gays.....even when it's in the news. I suppose Bill thinks Spacey is a fundie, out to deliberately smear the gay community. Ohhhh, the drama!
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Lame rhetoric won't hide the hate oozing from every key you will tap on this subject.

Post your edit - you won't be getting any Oscars for the lame drama you are trying to wrench out of this tragedy.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Probably because being gay does not equate to being a pedophile.



Well, technically you are correct, since pedophilia (at least as defined) is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-DSM_5-1

So he is not technically a pedophile, and it is also true that many people are naturally attracted to people who are in the age range of 14 to 17, the natural period in human development when members of our species are physically "adult" and capable of successful breeding. However, social mores have changed over the last 120 years and this is no longer socially acceptable...in most Western Cultures.

Thus, he is perceived as a pedophile, and his acts reflect negatively on the rest of LGBT society...at least in the USA.

I will point out one important difference between Mr. Spacey and most other public figures accused of sexual misconduct.

He did not deny it. :no:

He states he may have done it, but he does not remember because he is alcoholic and drinks.

In a way this is a mea culpa; unfortunately for him this is no longer a social atmosphere where such honesty is considered a positive.
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What am I missing? This isn't pedophilia. That deals with pre.pubescent children.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Probably because being gay does not equate to being a pedophile.



Well, technically you are correct, since pedophilia (at least as defined) is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-DSM_5-1

So he is not technically a pedophile, and it is also true that many people are naturally attracted to people who are in the age range of 14 to 17, the natural period in human development when members of our species are physically "adult" and capable of successful breeding. However, social mores have changed over the last 120 years and this is no longer socially acceptable...in most Western Cultures.

Thus, he is perceived as a pedophile, and his acts reflect negatively on the rest of LGBT society...at least in the USA.

I will point out one important difference between Mr. Spacey and most other public figures accused of sexual misconduct.

He did not deny it. :no:

He states he may have done it, but he does not remember because he is alcoholic and drinks.

In a way this is a mea culpa; unfortunately for him this is no longer a social atmosphere where such honesty is considered a positive.
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I very much agree with you on this issue. The fact that Spacey did not immediately call his accuser a liar would seem to be the more honest response. He also admitted he was gay, which lent even more credibility to the accusations.

We should respond to his honesty reasonably, without Weinstein/etc. baggage.
 
TheGoverness said:
What are you trying to say? Because I'm confused on what point you're trying to make.
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Why don't you backtrack and reread what I was responding to?
 
tosca1 said:
Why domn't you backtrack and reread what I was responding to.
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I've read all of your posts that you've made up until now. You are all over the place, and you have not made a concise point/argument.
 
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