Who do you think is right about Rosenstein VS GOP House Members

[independentusa]

Several GOP House members are trying to force Rosenstein to give up documents concerning the Mueller investigation. It has been a long standing policy of the DOJ that you don't give up such info during a continuing investigation. Many believe that the reason for the requests by the GOP is two fold. One to get the information to help them protect the president by knowing where the investigation is going and providing such information to the Whitehouse to be used as ammunition against Mueller. The second is to force Rosenstein to say no and thus to give them ammo to impeach him. Rosenstein makes two arguments. The first is that it has been a long standing policy not to give up such information, especially knowing the use it would be used for. The second is more of a constitutional argument, that it involves the separation of powers. The GOP House members are part of the legislative branch of government and the DOJ is part of both the executive branch or the judicial branch depending on your outlook. So do you think that the GOP House members should use Rosenstein's refusal to give up the information as an excuse to impeach him, or do you think that Rosenstein is doing the right thing in refusing?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Several GOP House members are trying to force Rosenstein to give up documents concerning the Mueller investigation. It has been a long standing policy of the DOJ that you don't give up such info during a continuing investigation. Many believe that the reason for the requests by the GOP is two fold. One to get the information to help them protect the president by knowing where the investigation is going and providing such information to the Whitehouse to be used as ammunition against Mueller. The second is to force Rosenstein to say no and thus to give them ammo to impeach him. Rosenstein makes two arguments. The first is that it has been a long standing policy not to give up such information, especially knowing the use it would be used for. The second is more of a constitutional argument, that it involves the separation of powers. The GOP House members are part of the legislative branch of government and the DOJ is part of both the executive branch or the judicial branch depending on your outlook. So do you think that the GOP House members should use Rosenstein's refusal to give up the information as an excuse to impeach him, or do you think that Rosenstein is doing the right thing in refusing?

If DOJ wants to be considered honorable then they need to be transparent, given all that has happened they dont get a pass here.

 

[Parrish]

On an ongoing investigation? No.

If they want any information then reopen their investigation on Russian Meddling in our election. Maybe, they should subpoena relevant witnesses and take their own oaths seriously and follow the facts, wherever they lead.

 

[jnug]

On an ongoing investigation? No.

If they want any information then reopen their investigation on Russian Meddling in our election. Maybe, they should subpoena relevant witnesses and take their own oaths seriously and follow the facts, wherever they lead.

Correctamento. I would not give those clowns in the House the time of day on an ongoing investigation. They have already pulled enough crap to be considered dishonorable, untrustworthy and unworthy of the consideration of bearing the burden of responsibility for handling such information appropriately.

One of them is so bad that if he were hauled out in handcuffs and charged with being a foreign agent I would not be the least bit surprised. Its not Devin Nunes either. So no...sorry. Until we fix the congress they can go sit on a flagpole and rotate.

 

[Praxas]

If DOJ wants to be considered honorable then they need to be transparent, given all that has happened they dont get a pass here.

Not during and ongoing investigation and that is the standard for any investigation.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Not during and ongoing investigation and that is the standard for any investigation.

With the proper security clearences, and especially with the amount of lying, two tiered justice heavy thumbing the scales of Justice and the FBI, our elected officials with the Constitutional right and duty of oversight... you are clearly, purely partisanly, flat out wrong.

 

[Praxas]

With the proper security clearences, and especially with the amount of lying, two tiered justice heavy thumbing the scales of Justice and the FBI, our elected officials with the Constitutional right and duty of oversight... you are clearly, purely partisanly, flat out wrong.

Nope I am not especially with such a corrupt administration. The crybaby partisan whore trump supporters are just pissed because their king dick is going down. Well those ****ers can suck it.

 

[Deuce]

If DOJ wants to be considered honorable then they need to be transparent, given all that has happened they dont get a pass here.

Why did you never care about this before 2018?

 

[independentusa]

If DOJ wants to be considered honorable then they need to be transparent, given all that has happened they dont get a pass here.

Oh yes. transparent, like the House GOP. I know how fast they leaked the first document they were given, about 30 copies per minute. That is how fast their copier works. About as transparent as the House Intelligence Committee was with their report that the Dems hadn't even seen before release. This is all about saving Trump's ass and you know it.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Several GOP House members are trying to force Rosenstein to give up documents concerning the Mueller investigation. It has been a long standing policy of the DOJ that you don't give up such info during a continuing investigation. Many believe that the reason for the requests by the GOP is two fold. One to get the information to help them protect the president by knowing where the investigation is going and providing such information to the Whitehouse to be used as ammunition against Mueller. The second is to force Rosenstein to say no and thus to give them ammo to impeach him. Rosenstein makes two arguments. The first is that it has been a long standing policy not to give up such information, especially knowing the use it would be used for. The second is more of a constitutional argument, that it involves the separation of powers. The GOP House members are part of the legislative branch of government and the DOJ is part of both the executive branch or the judicial branch depending on your outlook. So do you think that the GOP House members should use Rosenstein's refusal to give up the information as an excuse to impeach him, or do you think that Rosenstein is doing the right thing in refusing?

Congress does have oversight authority. The claim of the DOJ/FBI being a part of the legislative/judicial branch so Congress can't do anything is a false claim. Separation of powers only goes so far. What many forget is that each branch is also a check on the other two branches.

The Courts make sure that Congress cannot pass unconstitutional laws and makes sure that the executive branch does not exceed the laws on the books.

The Executive Branch enforces the laws against everyone...including judges and elected politicians. Occasionally, in emergencies, they can bypass both.

The Legislative Branch is able to make sure that the other two do not exceed their powers by passing laws that regulate how both conduct themselves. To this end Congress has oversight ability. Which is why Congress has the ability to look into all the things that they do and have done.

So, I'm of two minds about this. Congress certainly has the ability and power to oversee Muellers investigation and just how much it entails. However the Executive Branch also has the power to deny certain aspects from Congress if it would endanger their ability to carry out enforcing the laws.

It's quite the dilemma.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Nope I am not especially with such a corrupt administration. The crybaby partisan whore trump supporters are just pissed because their king dick is going down. Well those ****ers can suck it.

I am pretty sure we all know Rosensteink isnt long for that position. New position'll be on all fours taking it from behind from fellow inmates in whichever fed pen. We all know which team is gonna be sucking the kings dick. :shock: :lamo

Shouldnt oughtta been colluding with the FBI, DOJ, D of S and WH conspirators in their wild gambit at soft coup ousting a sitting president.

 

[independentusa]

With the proper security clearences, and especially with the amount of lying, two tiered justice heavy thumbing the scales of Justice and the FBI, our elected officials with the Constitutional right and duty of oversight... you are clearly, purely partisanly, flat out wrong.

Now that was a load of total crap. Who is doing the lying during this investigation? the Whitehouse has lied so often tht now the Whitehouse reporters can't believe a thing they say and they have said so. The real problem here is that Mueller has run a professional investigation without leaks. that has not allowed the Trump supporters ammunition to try and mislead the public.

 

[Fletch]

Nope I am not especially with such a corrupt administration. The crybaby partisan whore trump supporters are just pissed because their king dick is going down. Well those ****ers can suck it.

Wow, what a mature response. Luckily people like you arent in charge of making this decision.

 

[independentusa]

Congress does have oversight authority. The claim of the DOJ/FBI being a part of the legislative/judicial branch so Congress can't do anything is a false claim. Separation of powers only goes so far. What many forget is that each branch is also a check on the other two branches.

The Courts make sure that Congress cannot pass unconstitutional laws and makes sure that the executive branch does not exceed the laws on the books.

The Executive Branch enforces the laws against everyone...including judges and elected politicians. Occasionally, in emergencies, they can bypass both.

The Legislative Branch is able to make sure that the other two do not exceed their powers by passing laws that regulate how both conduct themselves. To this end Congress has oversight ability. Which is why Congress has the ability to look into all the things that they do and have done.

So, I'm of two minds about this. Congress certainly has the ability and power to oversee Muellers investigation and just how much it entails. However the Executive Branch also has the power to deny certain aspects from Congress if it would endanger their ability to carry out enforcing the laws.

It's quite the dilemma.

The appropriate committees might have the right to look into this, but this is not that. This is a couple of GOP Trump supporters who want ammo to subvert the investigation. They have no other reason to want the info, do they?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Oh yes. transparent, like the House GOP. I know how fast they leaked the first document they were given, about 30 copies per minute. That is how fast their copier works. About as transparent as the House Intelligence Committee was with their report that the Dems hadn't even seen before release. This is all about saving Trump's ass and you know it.

No NONONONO...You have the process all balled up...You tell me what you Know and I return the favor by tell you what I know....that's how this works.

 

[Kal'Stang]

The appropriate committees might have the right to look into this, but this is not that. This is a couple of GOP Trump supporters who want ammo to subvert the investigation. They have no other reason to want the info, do they?

You should note that just because we hear a couple of members ask for the information it doesn't mean that others, not necessarily Trump supporters, don't want to know the details also. Not everything is a conspiracy.

 

[jnug]

You should note that just because we hear a couple of members ask for the information it doesn't mean that others, not necessarily Trump supporters, don't want to know the details also. Not everything is a conspiracy.

They don't get to know at this point in an existing case and they should be smart enough to know that. So NO, I am not willing to cut them slack. I could give a rats behind what they want to know.

 

[Kal'Stang]

They don't get to know at this point in an existing case and they should be smart enough to know that. So NO, I am not willing to cut them slack. I could give a rats behind what they want to know.

I'm sure they'll take your opinion into consideration. :roll:

 

[apdst]

Several GOP House members are trying to force Rosenstein to give up documents concerning the Mueller investigation. It has been a long standing policy of the DOJ that you don't give up such info during a continuing investigation. Many believe that the reason for the requests by the GOP is two fold. One to get the information to help them protect the president by knowing where the investigation is going and providing such information to the Whitehouse to be used as ammunition against Mueller. The second is to force Rosenstein to say no and thus to give them ammo to impeach him. Rosenstein makes two arguments. The first is that it has been a long standing policy not to give up such information, especially knowing the use it would be used for. The second is more of a constitutional argument, that it involves the separation of powers. The GOP House members are part of the legislative branch of government and the DOJ is part of both the executive branch or the judicial branch depending on your outlook. So do you think that the GOP House members should use Rosenstein's refusal to give up the information as an excuse to impeach him, or do you think that Rosenstein is doing the right thing in refusing?

Congress is right. Rosenstein is obligated by law to hand the documents over to them. If he doesn't, he should be impeached.

 

[jnug]

Congress is right. Rosenstein is obligated by law to hand the documents over to them. If he doesn't, he should be impeached.

No they are wrong. Rosenstein is not required to turn over a darned thing UN-REDACTED on an ongoing investigation and that is what they want, an UN-REDACTED COPY. They can have all the redacted copies they want.

The President can attempt to force Rosenstein's hand by trying to use his unwillingness to turn over an un-redacted copy to the congress. But it appears that Rosenstein is willing to be fired and if the President wants to start a Saturday night massacre scenario over an un-redacted copy he can go right ahead. But he won't be firing Rosenstein because he should turn an un-redacted copy over. He will be firing him because he wants to fire him.

 

[Mycroft]

Several GOP House members are trying to force Rosenstein to give up documents concerning the Mueller investigation. It has been a long standing policy of the DOJ that you don't give up such info during a continuing investigation. Many believe that the reason for the requests by the GOP is two fold. One to get the information to help them protect the president by knowing where the investigation is going and providing such information to the Whitehouse to be used as ammunition against Mueller. The second is to force Rosenstein to say no and thus to give them ammo to impeach him. Rosenstein makes two arguments. The first is that it has been a long standing policy not to give up such information, especially knowing the use it would be used for. The second is more of a constitutional argument, that it involves the separation of powers. The GOP House members are part of the legislative branch of government and the DOJ is part of both the executive branch or the judicial branch depending on your outlook. So do you think that the GOP House members should use Rosenstein's refusal to give up the information as an excuse to impeach him, or do you think that Rosenstein is doing the right thing in refusing?

1. You, and these "many" you mention, are totally delusional about GOP House member's motivation. They are not interested in protecting Trump at all. At this point, they are only interested in investigating activities by members of the Obama administration.

2. You are also totally delusional about the DOJ/FBI motivations for withholding information from Congress. It has nothing to do with any investigation or the Constitution. Their investigation is done. They are beginning their criminal proceedings. They are reluctant to give information that is part of "criminal proceedings" to a political entity who leaks like a sieve. That's all.

So...what we actually have here are two organizations with different aims...one of which has information the other one wants. The DOJ/FBI have released information when they no longer have need to keep it confidential for their purposes. They will continue to do so.

I think you'll find very soon that the whole Congressional investigation will be unnecessary. Soon we'll see people...the very people Congress wants to investigate...being charged with crimes and brought to trial. So, I suggest you abandon your partisan notions and get ready to have your pro-Obama world rocked to its core. It's not going to be pretty.

 

[apdst]

No they are wrong. Rosenstein is not required to turn over a darned thing UN-REDACTED on an ongoing investigation and that is what they want, an UN-REDACTED COPY. They can have all the redacted copies they want.

The President can attempt to force Rosenstein's hand by trying to use his unwillingness to turn over an un-redacted copy to the congress. But it appears that Rosenstein is willing to be fired and if the President wants to start a Saturday night massacre scenario over an un-redacted copy he can go right ahead. But he won't be firing Rosenstein because he should turn an un-redacted copy over. He will be firing him because he wants to fire him.

That's ok...he's fixing to hand it over to a Federal judge. He's probably going to wish he would have given it to Congress. At least he could go on MSNBC and publically call them liars...lol

 

[jnug]

That's ok...he's fixing to hand it over to a Federal judge. He's probably going to wish he would have given it to Congress. At least he could go on MSNBC and publically call them liars...lol

and if that unredacted memo gets out the Judge will have a good deal explaining to do. One reason for not handing it over to both the congress and the judge is that it would allow the judge and the House republicans to just point fingers at each other, neither taking responsibility for leaking it should it be leaked. Of course the main reason is that Rosenstein should not hand over an unredacted copy to the Congress. He is well within his rights at the Asst. AG to withhold it from them and every reason to withhold it from them given their unscrupulous behavior.

As for the judge, though he was appointed by Reagan and the lobbying firm of Black, Manafort, Stone, one of the first if not the first of the political lobbying firms to monetize its political contacts made its bones during the Reagan years, I am willing to believe the Judge is just doing what judges do, particularly judges that loves the cameras. He is likely just warning the prosecution to watch its step and not reach over the boundaries of sound prosecutorial propriety in the Manafort case. There is no relief here for Manafort by the way. All he gets is the case sent to a Federal District Court if Judge Ellis throws the case out. I will not engage in the idiocy folks that what to politicize every aspect of the justice system are willing to engage in.

However, if I find out that Ellis did have dealings with Manafort who's firm touched many many Republicans before the firm started to concentrate on foreign operatives looking for a way into the US political system and Ellis did not recuse himself from this case, then I am going to rip the judge's rhetorical lungs out.

 

[apdst]

and if that unredacted memo gets out the Judge will have a good deal explaining to do. One reason for not handing it over to both the congress and the judge is that it would allow the judge and the House republicans to just point fingers at each other, neither taking responsibility for leaking it should it be leaked. Of course the main reason is that Rosenstein should not hand over an unredacted copy to the Congress. He is well within his rights at the Asst. AG to withhold it from them and every reason to withhold it from them given their unscrupulous behavior.

As for the judge, though he was appointed by Reagan and the lobbying firm of Black, Manafort, Stone, one of the first if not the first of the political lobbying firms to monetize its political contacts made its bones during the Reagan years, I am willing to believe the Judge is just doing what judges do, particularly judges that loves the cameras. He is likely just warning the prosecution to watch its step and not reach over the boundaries of sound prosecutorial propriety in the Manafort case. There is no relief here for Manafort by the way. All he gets is the case sent to a Federal District Court if Judge Ellis throws the case out. I will not engage in the idiocy folks that what to politicize every aspect of the justice system are willing to engage in.

However, if I find out that Ellis did have dealings with Manafort who's firm touched many many Republicans before the firm started to concentrate on foreign operatives looking for a way into the US political system and Ellis did not recuse himself from this case, then I am going to rip the judge's rhetorical lungs out.

And if the memo isn't handed over to the judge, he might dismiss the case. Then, the Muellerhahadeen will blow up and get **** all over the Democrats.

 

[jnug]

And if the memo isn't handed over to the judge, he might dismiss the case. Then, the Muellerhahadeen will blow up and get **** all over the Democrats.

No it won't. The case will just be handed over to prosecutors to handle in district court in Virginia just as the Cohen case was handed to SDNY or the case will be restructured based on how the judge rules in this court. Keep digging though. You guys are good at digging holes for yourselves. You will all get to China eventually. Maybe that is actually where you want to go.