White House dismisses 6 over failed background checks

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[Chomsky]

It's such a crazy jacked up system. Ok... these agencies start a database data-mining people's personal financial information. Let's just skip over how incredibly invasive that is. Let's also skip over how they sell it to any Tom, Dick and Harry that will toss them a coin. Let's also forget how they charge people to pay to see the data that THEY collected on THEM.

I mean this is all incredibly jacked up. Now...

Whose database is it? It's the credit agencies' database and data. They have us all so spun up about THEIR data that it's somehow our responsibility to maintain THEIR data in their database to make sure that THEIR data isn't wrong or else it could make us look bad. It couldn't get more backwards. We get the one free credit check per year... then you have to pay to see if they screwed up their data on you.

Any other company with a database of any kind is responsible for maintaining their database and the data therein. Society has been completely duped by this con so bad that we are now responsible for maintaining these companies' data on us, for them. Under the constant threat of... OR ELSE!1!!1!!!!

Makes absolutely no sense.

One time I had a serious error on my credit report. It erroneously reported a $5K default from some credit card I never had, nor ever heard of.

The reporting agency played the same bull**** game, that they don't have anything to do with it, and I need to get the reporting company (whoever they were) to take it off! I was freaking furious!

So finally after several calls, I told them I owned an S Corp (I did), and I wanted to report a bunch of great credit entries for myself. I asked them how to go about doing it. They claimed I couldn't do that, and I said I absolutely could and would, and I wanted to be transfered to the people that would assist me in reporting from my corporation to my report.

Well this rep finally took my seriously, and worked with me through some internal resolution people, and after a coupla' days I called back and the error was taken off.

This was a long time ago, in the 90's, when these reporting services were just getting popular and there was no formal resolution method for error correction.

Fugem. If they were going to report fake crap on me, I was willing to fill my report up with my own data showing I was great. What a mess!

My understanding is Europe doesn't have credit reporting agencies, due to stricter EU privacy issues. Not sure if it's true, but no one has challanged this statement the several times I claimed it (I heard it from a lawyer that lived expat in Brussels 35 years!).

 

[Chomsky]

well we do know that the Obama administration requested and received more waivers than any other administration in history. The information I got was that most of the waivers were for drug use within five years of being hired. When I went through the same basic intensive background check to work for the DOJ, I was told that drug use that took place more than 5 years out (unless you had a felony conviction for it) wouldn't count against you but drug use within 5 years was a different matter. Caveat- I went through my BGC in 1990 so the rules might have changed

That might depend on agency and position.

For the FBI agent trainee lie detector tests, apparent any admission or detector hit of any hard drug use ever (coke, heroin), is a fail and no job. This was also around 1990.

 

[TurtleDude]

That might depend on agency and position.

For the FBI agent trainee lie detector tests, apparent any admission or detector hit of any hard drug use ever (coke, heroin), is a fail and no job. This was also around 1990.

that's probably true. A DUI was the kiss of death to be an AUSA or DOJ line attorney

 

[Chomsky]

I used to have to fingerprint new hires and send the info to the state (they were working in healthcare with disabled and mentally handicapped adults). The state typically took a month to get back to us. Usually there were DUI or domestic disturbances. But, once....I had one rejected because the employee served time for murder. Firing him was a bit stressful.

I once worked on the floor of one of the financial exchanges. As long as you did not lie on your app, they could not discriminate against most criminal records as long as they weren't fraud or financial related.

I worked with a guy who got out of prison the year before, after serving a seven year stint for murder. I do admit it was occasionally odd, as everyone on the floor knew it since it had gotten around, and quite a few people would go out of their way to not piss him off.

 

[beefheart]

I once worked on the floor of one of the financial exchanges. As long as you did not lie on your app, they could not discriminate against most criminal records as long as they weren't fraud or financial related.

I worked with a guy who got out of prison the year before, after serving a seven year stint for murder. I do admit it was occasionally odd, as everyone on the floor knew it since it had gotten around, and quite a few people would go out of their way to not piss him off.

This guy had that crazy eyed look that Richard Pryor would get in his films...scary.

 

[Chomsky]

Do credit agencies make mistakes....yep

Have I ever had one? Nope

Anyone I know ever had a problem? Nope

Does the system help our economy? Yep

Without it, buying things on credit would be a whole lot different

Houses, cars, etc.....our economy would stop.....

I'm going to humbly suggest you either don't know many people, or they aren't confiding in you.

Alright I won't be facetious anymore, but from my experience this sounds far out of the ordinary.

I had a problem myself (Post #102 in this thread), my dad had problems continuously with a guy of the same name living on the same street two blocks down, my Mom had her identity stolen (total nightmare!), and my brother had problems due to a bad tenant in his apartment building.

If anything, I know as many people that had problems - as not.

Now I will admit problem resolution is easier as of late, but it still happens.

Hell - before I could get my current mortgage I had to twice pay a 65 dollar bill to an insurance agency, because the first time I paid it an error occurred, the account wasn't credited, and several years after the fact I had to go down to my old neighborhood to pay it again to clear the record!

 

[Astonished]

what you apparently missed is that the Obama administration waived background check failures for lots of his white house staff. The president can override a failed background check Obama did it for more hires than any other administration,

we get the fact you are mad that Hillary lost. Your rants are just plain stupid

I think I asked for proof. Why don't you provide the legit sources? Also while you're at it, explain why, if Trump had the same situation, he didn't waive the failures?

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest you have no sources and this is all make believe, or alternative facts as the Trump admin calls it.

 

[Astonished]

You couldn't find it happening at the Obama White House, or was it just that the liberal press did not consider it newsworthy? Can you prove it didn't happen in the Obama White House? I Googled "No one ever failed a background test at the Obama Whitehouse." There were ZERO pertinent results, therefore we have to assume someone did fail a background test...right?

You can't ask someone to prove a negative.

Besides I'm not going to do your work for you. It's on you to prove it happened in another administration. Go ahead and do that or stop claiming it.

 

[Astonished]

"can't find it happening in the Obama White House."



That's exactly my point, I can't prove that anyone failed a background check in the Obama Whitehouse any more than you can prove no one failed a background test.

You claim someone failed a background check in the Obama White House and I've asked you to prove it.

Don't make false claims.

 

[Astonished]

But it isn't the kind of thing that would normally make it into the news. I spent 20 years as an intelligence officer and worked in numerous sensitive positions, including 8 embassies. I saw lots of denied security clearances in those years but you aren't going to find a mention of them anywhere in the media.

But the Trump Whitehouse is under much more intense media scrutiny at the moment so stuff is going to get reported on that would normally be ignored as insignificant.

LOL convenient excuse and I am calling you on it.

You guys made up this false story and are presenting it as truth, then when asked for examples you claim it happened but no one reported it. OK so if that's the case, how do you know it happened?

HAHAHA

Ya'll have been caught in a lie. Fess up.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I can't speak for WH positions specifically, but failing background checks is common. As the article said, it can be because of something as innocuous as having a bad credit history.

More common yet is being an unknown victim of identity theft.

 

[gdgyva]

I'm going to humbly suggest you either don't know many people, or they aren't confiding in you.

Alright I won't be facetious anymore, but from my experience this sounds far out of the ordinary.

I had a problem myself (Post #102 in this thread), my dad had problems continuously with a guy of the same name living on the same street two blocks down, my Mom had her identity stolen (total nightmare!), and my brother had problems due to a bad tenant in his apartment building.

If anything, I know as many people that had problems - as not.

Now I will admit problem resolution is easier as of late, but it still happens.

Hell - before I could get my current mortgage I had to twice pay a 65 dollar bill to an insurance agency, because the first time I paid it an error occurred, the account wasn't credited, and several years after the fact I had to go down to my old neighborhood to pay it again to clear the record!

Why didn't you just show them the receipt, or the cancelled check?

Why pay it a second time....unless you don't keep good records, and sorry, but whose fault is that?

I have been in the retail car business for 32 years....and have seen just about every story out there as far as credit

Almost everyone needs a car at some point in their life, and a lot of them if they have any blips on their credit, come to us

Are the agencies perfect? Nope...already said they weren't

But my circle of family and friends knows my expertise in this area....and if they had a problem, they would bring it to me

Again...i wont change your mind....you have had issues....your fault? I don't know....maybe, maybe not

The one big issue is identity theft now....that one is much harder....but the agencies are working with federal agencies trying to make it harder to do, and making the penalties more severe....but too many people make it easier for thieves

Shredders are a big key....people throw out way too much personal information in their trash

 

[Vetplus40]

I currently have a Govt. security clearance. You will NOT be denied a clearance for honest "typos" on a PHQ (Personal History Questionnaire). We all make mistakes filling out forms, and investigative agencies know this.

If the agency investigating thinks that you purposely gave false information, then that is a different story. Why anybody would intentionally give a false address on a PHQ is odd, but it may happen.

A good example of a disqualifying occurrence here would be a bankruptcy. The bankruptcy may have been a result of a divorce, job loss, or something very innocent, but it may be disqualifying given the clearance level that is being requested.

 

[RenoCon]

"That's exactly my point, I can't prove that anyone failed a background check in the Obama Whitehouse any more than you can prove no one failed a background test."

You claim someone failed a background check in the Obama White House and I've asked you to prove it.

Don't make false claims.

What part of the above bolded quote of mine do you not understand?:doh

 

[Astonished]

"That's exactly my point, I can't prove that anyone failed a background check in the Obama Whitehouse any more than you can prove no one failed a background test."



What part of the above bolded quote of mine do you not understand?:doh

Why are you claiming it if you can't prove it.

Don't post lies.