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truthatallcost said:
Stalin not only planned on invading Poland, he also planned on invading Germany before Barbarossa.
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No he didn't.

The Soviets killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 million ethnic Ukrainians in the early 1930s,
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Modern estimates are 3-4 million.

So how many Ukrainians died in the Holodomor? *Euromaidan Press |

much worse than the supposed number attributed to the holocaust, but as we know, nothing that occurred in Ukraine matters to asshat amateur political analysts until Putin seized Crimea.
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Nazi Germany is responsible for at least somewhere in the vicinity of 30 million people killed.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Lmao....German National Socialists are to blame for the Soviet Russia's misdeeds now? Wow, that's backwards thinking if I've ever heard it. Stalin not only planned on invading Poland, he also planned on invading Germany before Barbarossa.

The Soviets killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 million ethnic Ukrainians in the early 1930s, much worse than the supposed number attributed to the holocaust, but as we know, nothing that occurred in Ukraine matters to asshat amateur political analysts until Putin seized Crimea.
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Yes, the Nazis are to blame for initiating the deal as well as for attacking their neighbors and murdering millions up9n millions of innocent people.

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Your fairy tale is a load of crap. The Red Army was in no shape for combat operations in 1941 and they knew it. There was absolutely no evidence to suggest that they were “going to attack Germany before Barbarossa”. In fact, there was trains full of resources heading into Germany pretty much up to the day of the invasion, which pretty blatantly contradicts your claims. Next you’ll be telling us Poland is the one who instigated the German invasion:lamo

Oh look, you are a Holocaust denier as well as a fascist fanboy. What a surprise....not :roll:
 
truthatallcost said:
truthatallcost said:
There's 70 holocaust memorials in the United States, and only one 9/11 memorial. Of course you don't get it.
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Yep, cowardly slink away now. Hmm, funny- you care as little about the NHS using British children as guinea pigs for medical experiments as you did with the cover up at Rotherham.
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You are ALWAYS entertaining but never in a way that is good for whatever argument you are trying to make.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
September 11 Memorials Across America

"There are some 700 recorded memorials in the U.S. and more are underway or planned. "

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There's more Holocaust memorials and museums in America than in Germany (22), Israel (14), or Poland (12), or even those 3 countries combined (48). The holocaust has more locations in America than Kmart, :lol:

Consider this; "The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington receives $52.4 million in government funds, and is free. In the absence of federal support, the 9/11 museum expects to cover two-thirds of its operating expenses with ticket and concession sales, and the rest through fundraising."

I know more people died in the Holocaust than on 9/11, but it's kind of gross that they receive $52 million dollars every year, while the 9/11 memorial at the world trade center has to fundraise. Theres no business like shoah business!
 
Tigerace117 said:
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You status quo guys are ridiculous, attempting to turn Stalin into a naive victim, and hero of the era. Stalin was the most ruthless, calculating world leader of the 20th century. The 'experts' who've written most of the history books expect people to believe that Uncle Joe, the paranoid maniac who murdered his closest and most loyal underlings out of fear that they would conspire against him, was blindly trusting of Hitler, and surprised when Germany invaded! But you'll believe anything, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it fits the status quo narrative for dummies.

"For decades establishment historians have held that Stalin naively trusted Hitler. This image of a trusting Stalin and a treacherous Hitler is widely and officially accepted in the United States and much of Europe. Suvorov mocks this view, and contends that, to the contrary, it was Hitler who fatally miscalculated Stalin's cunning, at least for some 15 months, by which time it was too late.

While Hitler succeeded in foiling Stalin's great invasion plan, the German leader fatally underestimated the magnitude and aggressiveness of the Soviet threat. Suvorov writes: "Hitler grasped that Stalin was preparing an invasion, but he failed properly to estimate the entire extent of Stalin's preparations ... Hitler was unclear about just how great and how close the danger was."

Historians, notes Suvorov, do not adequately explain why Hitler decided to attack the Soviet Union at a time when Britain was still not subdued, thus engaging Germany in a dangerous two-front war. They often simply refer to Hitler's lust for Lebensraum or "living space." Actually, the Russian author writes, "Stalin gave Hitler no alternative way out. The secret [Soviet] mobilization was of such an enormous dimension that it would have been difficult to ignore." Stalin's "secret mobilization had reached such an extent that it could no longer be disguised. For Hitler the only possibility left was a preventive strike. Hitler beat Stalin to it by two weeks." In short, given the situation, the only responsible recourse for the German leadership was to launch a preemptive strike.
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Stalin announced his decision to implement his plan at a Politburo meeting on August 19, 1939, four days before the signing of the Soviet-German non-aggression pact. (It was also at this Politburo meeting, which came shortly after Stalin had concluded his draconian purges of military and political "unreliables," that the Soviet leader ordered General Georgi Zhukov to attack, and defeat, in classic blitzkrieg fashion, the Japanese Sixth Army at Khalkhin-Gol, Mongolia.)

Thirteen days after Stalin's speech, German troops struck against Poland, and two days after that -- September 3, 1939 -- Britain and France declared war on Germany.

In 1938 some 1,513,400 men were serving in the Red Army. This was about one percent of the Soviet population, which is generally considered the normal, economically sustainable, maximum ratio of men under arms to total population. As part of their two-year mobilization program, Stalin-Shaposhnikov more than doubled the number of men under arms -- to more than five million.

During this period -- August 1939 to June 1941 -- Stalin raised 125 new infantry divisions, 30 new motorized divisions, and 61 tank and 79 air divisions -- a total of 295 divisions organized in 16 armies. The Stalin-Shaposhnikov plan also called for mobilizing an additional six million men in the summer of 1941, to be distributed into still more infantry, tank, motorized and air divisions.

Between July 1939 and June 1941, Stalin increased the number of Soviet tank divisions from zero to 61, with dozens more in preparation. By June 1941, the "neutral" Soviet Union had assembled more tank divisions than all the other countries of the world put together -- a mighty force that could be effectively employed only in offensive operations.

Echoing the findings of such historians as A. J. P. Taylor and David Hoggan, Suvorov points out that Hitler neither wanted nor planned for a European-wide conflict in 1939. It was the British and French declarations of war against Germany that transformed a local conflict between Germany and Poland into a European-wide one."

Historian Details Stalin's Two-Year 'Mobilization' Plan for European Conquest (review)
 
truthatallcost said:
You status quo guys are ridiculous, attempting to turn Stalin into a naive victim, and hero of the era. Stalin was the most ruthless, calculating world leader of the 20th century. The 'experts' who've written most of the history books expect people to believe that Uncle Joe, the paranoid maniac who murdered his closest and most loyal underlings out of fear that they would conspire against him, was blindly trusting of Hitler, and surprised when Germany invaded! But you'll believe anything, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it fits the status quo narrative for s too late.

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l " , Stalin-Shaposhnikov more than doubled the number of men under arms -- to more than five million.

aylor and David Hoggan, Suvorov points out that Hitler neither wanted nor planned for a European-wide conflict in 1939. It was the British and French declarations of war against Germany that transformed a local conflict between Germany and Poland into a European-wide one."[/I]

Historian Details Stalin's Two-Year 'Mobilization' Plan for European Conquest (review)
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As usual from you, another load of crap.

First and foremost, as stated before, the Red Army was not even remotely prepared for offensive operations

“Among the noted critics of Suvorov's work are Israeli historian Gabriel Gorodetsky, American military historian David Glantz,[34] and Russian military historians Makhmut Gareev, Lev Bezymensky, and Dmitri Volkogonov. Many other western scholars, such as Teddy J. Uldricks,[35] Derek Watson,[36] Hugh Ragsdale,[37] Roger Reese,[38] Stephen Blank,[39] and Robin Edmonds,[40] agree that the Suvorov's major weakness is "that the author does not reveal his sources" (Ingmar Oldberg[41]) and rely on circumstantial evidence.[42]. Historian Cynthia A. Roberts is even more categorical, claiming that Suvorov's writings have "virtually no evidentiary base".[43]

Suvorov's most controversial thesis is that the Red Army made extensive preparations for an offensive war in Europe, but it was totally unprepared for defensive operations on its own territory.[4] Thereby Suvorov essentially reiterates the argument put forward by Adolf Hitler in 1941.[4] According to Jonathan Haslam, Suvorov's claim that "Germany frustrated Stalin's war"[21] "would be comical were it not taken so seriously".[44]

One of Suvorov's arguments is that certain types of weapons were mostly suited for offensive warfare and that the Red Army had large numbers of such weapons. For example, he pointed out that the Soviet Union was outfitting large numbers of paratroopers — preparing to field entire parachute armies, in fact — and states that paratroopers are only suitable for offensive action, which the Soviet military doctrine of the time recognized. Suvorov's critics say that Soviet paratroopers were poorly trained and armed.[45] In like fashion, Suvorov cites the development of the KT/Antonov A-40 "flying tank" as evidence of Stalin's aggressive plans, while his critics say that development of this tank was started only in December 1941.[46]

David M. Glantz disputes the argument that the Red Army was deployed in an offensive stance in 1941. According to Glantz, the Red Army was only in a state of partial mobilization in July 1941, from which neither effective defensive or offensive actions could be offered without considerable delay.[47]

Antony Beevor writes that "the Red Army was simply not in a state to launch a major offensive in the summer of 1941, and in any case Hitler's decision to invade had been made considerably earlier."[48] However, he also notes that "it cannot be excluded that Stalin... may have been considering a preventive attack in the winter of 1941 or more probably in 1942..."[48]”

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Secondly, your attempt to blame Britain and France for “transforming it into a continent-wide conflict” is equally laughable, given that by 1939 Hitler had invaded and carved up numerous neighboring countries, and there was exactly zero reason for the allies to just sit around and allow him to continue to do so.

Not only that, but throwing around numbers about the Red Army’s “build up” ignores the fact that the most likely cause for that build up was the Europe wide war your idol started. It was blatantly obvious after Poland that an army with no tank divisions, for instance, would not do very well when push came shove.

Oh look, the SS fanboy wants to call other people stupid. Too funny:lamo

But all’s well that ends well—millions of genocidal thugs ended up in shallow graves and your idol had to blow his brains
 
Jredbaron96 said:
No he didn't.
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Yes, he did. It's widely known that war between Germany and Russia was inevitable. Hitler, having learned from the 'stab in the back' at the close of WW1 was not going to wait for the Commies to do it again.



Modern estimates are 3-4 million.



So how many Ukrainians died in the Holodomor? *Euromaidan Press |



Nazi Germany is responsible for at least somewhere in the vicinity of 30 million people killed.
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The author of the article you included doesn't appear to have any biography, or anything else online. The Anti Defamation League has been trying to limit information about the Holodomor and Armenian Genocide for years, even lobbying American members of congress to do the same, and threatening blackmail.

Its funny jred, another poster on DP took issue with my remarks regarding the Holodomor, and tried to use a Jewish college student's homework assignment as 'proof', lol. It so poorly written, with numerous grammatical errors, misspellings, etc. You have little to worry about for now; Holocaust Inc has successfully kept most Americans in the dark about other ethnic genocides that occurred in the 20th century.

Gennadiy Yefimenko - Google Search
 
truthatallcost said:
Yes, he did. It's widely known that war between Germany and Russia was inevitable. Hitler, having learned from the 'stab in the back' at the close of WW1 was not going to wait for the Commies to do it again.





The author of the article you included doesn't appear to have any biography, or anything else online. The Anti Defamation League has been trying to limit information about the Holodomor and Armenian Genocide for years, even lobbying American members of congress to do the same, and threatening blackmail.

Its funny jred, another poster on DP took issue with my remarks regarding the Holodomor, and tried to use a Jewish college student's homework assignment as 'proof', lol. It so poorly written, with numerous grammatical errors, misspellings, etc. You have little to worry about for now; Holocaust Inc has successfully kept most Americans in the dark about other ethnic genocides that occurred in the 20th century.

Gennadiy Yefimenko - Google Search
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“Stab in the back”

Oh look, you are literally quoting Nazi propaganda....again.

There was no “stab in the back”. Germany gambled big, lost, and then immediately started looking for someone else to blame rather than face the fact that their vaunted military staff had badly ****ed up. Jews and leftists were simply the easiest scapegoats around, and so, magically, the “stab in the back” myth springs up.

Given that the Nazis were every bit as brutal to the Ukrainians as the Soviets were, your argument is rather meaningless.
 
truthatallcost said:
There's more Holocaust memorials ....................~
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So you lie about there being only one 9/11 memorial, get called out on that lie, and proceed to dump your next crap load.

The English language would appear to need new words to describe you.:roll:
 
truthatallcost said:
~........................ believe anything, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it fits the status quo narrative for dummies...................~
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That's the first remotely honest self-assessment I've ever seen from you, underlined once again by the crap (not to mention the source) you then let follow.
 
truthatallcost said:
'stab in the back'
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What you then let follow by way of questioning others' sources is even more hilarious, in view of the crockpiles you need to fall back upon to futilely attempt validating your garbage.

IHR, ferchrissake.:roll:
 
truthatallcost said:
The holocaust has more locations in America than Kmart, :lol:
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Wow, more memorials than a bankrupted retail business? Next thing you're going to tell me is that there are more books on the Holocaust than there are books on Columbine.

I know more people died in the Holocaust than on 9/11, but it's kind of gross that they receive $52 million dollars every year,
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Well to be fair, only 3,667% more people died in the Holocaust than 9/11.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Yes, he did.
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No he didn't. The Soviet mantra was very much to avoid open conflict with a peer opponent. The Soviets were well aware of the capabilities of the Wehrmacht; it had spurned their own armed forces expansion. But there still is no evidence that Stalin was intending to attack Germany. If you have some proof feel free to post some, but this argument has been made for decades now and there still isn't anything concrete to back it up.


The author of the article you included doesn't appear to have any biography, or anything else online. The Anti Defamation League has been trying to limit information about the Holodomor and Armenian Genocide for years, even lobbying American members of congress to do the same, and threatening blackmail.
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So you don't have an actual refutation to the works of “The loss of urban and rural population in Ukraine due to the Holodomor in 1932-1934: A new assessment,” authored by Nataliya Levchuk, Tetiana Boriak, Oleh Wolowyna, Omelian Rudnytskyi, and Alla Kovbasiuk.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Wow, more memorials than a bankrupted retail business? Next thing you're going to tell me is that there are more books on the Holocaust than there are books on Columbine.
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There's also holocaust memorials and museums in China, Mexico, and South Africa as well.....more places that have nothing to do whatsoever with the holocaust. If we ever colonize Mars, the first building erected will be a McDonald's, and the second will be a Holocaust memorial :lamo :lamo


Well to be fair, only 3,667% more people died in the Holocaust than 9/11.
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How many Americans died in the Holocaust? 0.
So why are there 70 holocaust memorials or museums on American soil? If you want to build a Holocaust gift store and coffeehouse on every street in Israel, then go right ahead. That would actually make sense, but why so many in the USA?
 
Tigerace117 said:
“Stab in the back”

Oh look, you are literally quoting Nazi propaganda....again.

There was no “stab in the back”. Germany gambled big, lost, and then immediately started looking for someone else to blame rather than face the fact that their vaunted military staff had badly ****ed up. Jews and leftists were simply the easiest scapegoats around, and so, magically, the “stab in the back” myth springs up.
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Hindenburg in his memoirs of 1920 "We were finished! [...] Our task now was to save the existence of the remaining forces of our army for the later development of the Fatherland. The present was lost. So only the hope for the future remained. "

referring to the forces of the Triple Entente breaking thru the Siegfried line on September 27, 1918.

Ludendorff cooked up the Dolchstosslegende (legend of the dagger thrust) to absolve the German High command from blame.

On 29 September 1918, the German High Command ultimatively demanded of the Reich Government what it had previously ruled out at all cost, namely that a new government dependent on the Reichstag majority should be formed and then negotiate a ceasefire.
 
truthatallcost said:
There's also holocaust memorials and museums in China, Mexico, and South Africa as well.....more places that have nothing to do whatsoever with the holocaust. If we ever colonize Mars, the first building erected will be a McDonald's, and the second will be a Holocaust memorial :lamo :lamo

How many Americans died in the Holocaust? 0.
So why are there 70 holocaust memorials or museums on American soil? If you want to build a Holocaust gift store and coffeehouse on every street in Israel, then go right ahead. That would actually make sense, but why so many in the USA?
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Those of us who aren't cynics (or neo-nazis trying to cower from the light) might suggest that an industrial scale genocide the likes of which the world had never seen before might transcend nationality and ethnic identity.
 
Tigerace117 said:
“Stab in the back”

Oh look, you are literally quoting Nazi propaganda....again.

There was no “stab in the back”. Germany gambled big, lost, and then immediately started looking for someone else to blame rather than face the fact that their vaunted military staff had badly ****ed up. Jews and leftists were simply the easiest scapegoats around, and so, magically, the “stab in the back” myth springs up.

Given that the Nazis were every bit as brutal to the Ukrainians as the Soviets were, your argument is rather meaningless.
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Your posts are filled with bitterness and stupidity.

Germany was -

A) losing the war,
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B) stabbed in the back as they were going down

Both are correct. Does that excuse or justify the stab in the back occurring? Of course it doesn't.
 
truthatallcost said:
Your posts are filled with bitterness and stupidity.

Germany was -

A) losing the war,
and

B) stabbed in the back as they were going down

Both are correct. Does that excuse or justify the stab in the back occurring? Of course it doesn't.
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You really think your lies are gonna float with any educated person?

Only thing you're actually achieving is to show what a joke your chosen user name is.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Those of us who aren't cynics (or neo-nazis trying to cower from the light) might suggest that an industrial scale genocide the likes of which the world had never seen before might transcend nationality and ethnic identity.
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The only unique thing about the Holocaust is the way in which it has been exploited and exaggerated to become THE most important tragedy to ever happen in the history of the world. They have to indoctrinate each new generation into believing it, otherwise they'd be judged the same as we judge non-jews. And they don't want that.
 
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