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Who's to say that a persons gender or sexuality cannot be unchanged

This is why I adhere to the belief in both libertarianism and transhumanism devoid of ethics.
I think with the libertarian morality of voluntarism, that eliminates the ethical concerns posed by transhumanism.

What if we could cure people's sexuality by rewiring the brain? Obviously we'll have to saw open a human skull and **** around, which would probably result in tons of mishaps and countless deaths. '

But with these closet homo christians, they'll do ANYTHING if they're desperate enough. I mean, if you wanna commit suicide cause you're gay? Why not volunteer your brain for science.
Why not do the same thing with trans people?
Their suicide rate is super high. That's a lot of people who feel worthless and can be convinced to sacrifice themselves in the name of research. They wanna die anyway, so why not die for science
 
What if we could cure people's sexuality by rewiring the brain?
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To turn people asexual? sexuality is not a disease for it to be cured.

But with these closet homo christians, they'll do ANYTHING if they're desperate enough. I mean, if you wanna commit suicide cause you're gay? Why not volunteer your brain for science.
Why not do the same thing with trans people?
Their suicide rate is super high. That's a lot of people who feel worthless and can be convinced to sacrifice themselves in the name of research.
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Because that would be unethical. The ethical route would be to cure those patients severe depression and help them get through their suicidal thoughts. You are not genuinely suggesting that it is ethical for psychiatrists to try and make people suicidal?
 
L0neW0lf said:
To turn people asexual? sexuality is not a disease for it to be cured.
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"cure" was the wrong word. "Change" is better


L0neW0lf said:
Because that would be unethical. The ethical route would be to cure those patients severe depression and help them get through their suicidal thoughts. You are not genuinely suggesting that it is ethical for psychiatrists to try and make people suicidal?
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I would argue that it's impossible for it to be unethical if it's voluntary. If the patient intends to be experimented on, and are informed of what is going to happen and is not decieved or lied to about what is going to happen, then it's ethical.
Now if I tell them one thing, and do something else, then it's unethical since I lied.

If I say "I'm gonna saw your skull open and **** with your brain, there's an 80% chance you'll die." If they agree, that makes it ethical
 
You seem to have a 2nd grade understanding of the brain

It's located *above* the skull
Sexuality develops in the womb, and any changes would be by altering the hormone levels
We have no way to decipher the countless cell connections, which cease on death, by looking at a sterile brain
Scientists have better things to do and spent their limited funds on

I think you seriously overestimate the # who kill themselves due to their sexuality, rather than drug or other problems that come from society rejecting them. Besides, fundamentalists believe that sexuality is not in the brain so why would they participate in this?

Also you should NEVER try to push someone to off themselves, least of all for a reason like this. Evidently you think the lives of gay people who have been tormented by society have 0 worth. Thus you're no better than the tormentors
 
chromium said:
You seem to have a 2nd grade understanding of the brain

It's located *above* the skull
Sexuality develops in the womb, and any changes would be by altering the hormone levels
We have no way to decipher the countless cell connections, which cease on death, by looking at a sterile brain
Scientists have better things to do and spent their limited funds on

I think you seriously overestimate the # who kill themselves due to their sexuality, rather than drug or other problems that come from society rejecting them. Besides, fundamentalists believe that sexuality is not in the brain so why would they participate in this?

Also you should NEVER try to push someone to off themselves, least of all for a reason like this. Evidently you think the lives of gay people who have been tormented by society have 0 worth. Thus you're no better than the tormentors
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"We have no way to decipher the countless cell connections, which cease on death, by looking at a sterile brain"

Yea, that's why you do it while they're still alive but unconscious. You can kill them after you're done.

"Scientists have better things to do and spent their limited funds on"

Yea, but what if a religious organization wants to fund it.

"I think you seriously overestimate the # who kill themselves due to their sexuality, rather than drug or other problems that come from society rejecting them. Besides, fundamentalists believe that sexuality is not in the brain so why would they participate in this? "

Why do they get into conversion therapy at all then? Who knows, they're just irrational stupid people. Conversion therapy has always used somewhat scientific methods like shock therapy.
Also, gay people may not be killing themselves all that much, but trannies are sure as hell doing a pretty good job. By them offering their lives in the name of research, we could accomplish a lot.
We might not be able to "cure" gender dysphoria, BUT we would learn a lot about how gender works in relation to brain chemistry.

I mean, it's not like curing gays is the ONLY oppurtunity to be found by suicidal people offfering themselves for experimentation. We could discover something totally unrelated.
How else will we be able to work on a brain, while they're still alive and still functioning?

"Also you should NEVER try to push someone to off themselves, least of all for a reason like this. Evidently you think the lives of gay people who have been tormented by society have 0 worth. Thus you're no better than the tormentors"

Wrong... I think ALL lives have 0 worth. The only worth can come from ones own perception. ANYONE who percieves themselves as not having worth, has no worth. Worth is subjective. Only the individual can determine if one has worth or not.
 
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They already know peoples sexuality can be changed as it has been done on accident several times.
 
whateverdude said:
Who's to say that a persons gender or sexuality cannot be unchanged

This is why I adhere to the belief in both libertarianism and transhumanism devoid of ethics.
I think with the libertarian morality of voluntarism, that eliminates the ethical concerns posed by transhumanism.

What if we could cure people's sexuality by rewiring the brain? Obviously we'll have to saw open a human skull and **** around, which would probably result in tons of mishaps and countless deaths. '

But with these closet homo christians, they'll do ANYTHING if they're desperate enough. I mean, if you wanna commit suicide cause you're gay? Why not volunteer your brain for science.
Why not do the same thing with trans people?
Their suicide rate is super high. That's a lot of people who feel worthless and can be convinced to sacrifice themselves in the name of research. They wanna die anyway, so why not die for science
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It doesn't appear that you are familiar with the terms 'libertarianism' or 'ethics'.

You sure as hell don't understand the word 'transhumanism'.

What was your handle last time you were 86'd?
 
Henrin said:
They already know peoples sexuality can be changed as it has been done on accident several times.
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Think bigger than that though.
If a suicidal person allows themselves to be put under, we can experiment and study a brain while it's still working and functioning. We could learn who knows how much? We could probably discover some new thing by accident.
And we wouldn't have to worry at all about safety since the person will die at the end of the procedure. We're just keeping them alive and unconcious for a while so we can study their brains while they're still alive, then kill them.
THey're gonna die anyway, so lets make them useful
 
whateverdude said:
Who's to say that a persons gender or sexuality cannot be unchanged

This is why I adhere to the belief in both libertarianism and transhumanism devoid of ethics.
I think with the libertarian morality of voluntarism, that eliminates the ethical concerns posed by transhumanism.

What if we could cure people's sexuality by rewiring the brain? Obviously we'll have to saw open a human skull and **** around, which would probably result in tons of mishaps and countless deaths. '

But with these closet homo christians, they'll do ANYTHING if they're desperate enough. I mean, if you wanna commit suicide cause you're gay? Why not volunteer your brain for science.
Why not do the same thing with trans people?
Their suicide rate is super high. That's a lot of people who feel worthless and can be convinced to sacrifice themselves in the name of research. They wanna die anyway, so why not die for science
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Thanks for the thoughtful recommendation, pal, but I'm doing just fine. I don't need any "curing".
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It doesn't appear that you are familiar with the terms 'libertarianism' or 'ethics'.

You sure as hell don't understand the word 'transhumanism'.

What was your handle last time you were 86'd?
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I don't adhere to libertarianism as this strict rigid standard of morality, I don't do that with any ideology.

And how the hell do you intend on achieving these transhumanist goals without studying the brain. Transhumanists want to do all sorts of crazy ****. THey wanna put the human mind in computers.
How you gonna do that if we cannot research on a live brain? When someone dies, so does the neural pathways. So how can we study them if we cannot use a live human brain?
And how can we experiment on a live brain without killing the person? We really can't. At least not very much. We need a disposable live human that we can experiment on without worrying about killing them.
 
TheGoverness said:
Thanks for the thoughtful recommendation, pal, but I'm doing just fine. I don't need any "curing".
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Yea, but studying these peoples brain ends up creating a scientific advancement that benefits us all, then you'll be thanking the scientists as well as those who sacrificed theri lives in the name of science
 
whateverdude said:
Who's to say that a persons gender or sexuality cannot be unchanged

This is why I adhere to the belief in both libertarianism and transhumanism devoid of ethics.
I think with the libertarian morality of voluntarism, that eliminates the ethical concerns posed by transhumanism.

What if we could cure people's sexuality by rewiring the brain? Obviously we'll have to saw open a human skull and **** around, which would probably result in tons of mishaps and countless deaths. '

But with these closet homo christians, they'll do ANYTHING if they're desperate enough. I mean, if you wanna commit suicide cause you're gay? Why not volunteer your brain for science.
Why not do the same thing with trans people?
Their suicide rate is super high. That's a lot of people who feel worthless and can be convinced to sacrifice themselves in the name of research. They wanna die anyway, so why not die for science
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Most idiotic post ever. Hands down. Quite a feat, congrats. :applaud
 
whateverdude said:
Yea, but studying these peoples brain ends up creating a scientific advancement that benefits us all, then you'll be thanking the scientists as well as those who sacrificed theri lives in the name of science
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That's nice.
 
countryboy said:
Most idiotic post ever. Hands down. Quite a feat, congrats. :applaud
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Okay.
Give me a better idea of how we can study a live human brain, as it is functioning on a real life human?
Odds are you're gonna kill or damage that person when you're done.

So using a suicidal person is the only way we can do it without feeling guilty since it's not morally wrong
 
whateverdude said:
"We have no way to decipher the countless cell connections, which cease on death, by looking at a sterile brain"

Yea, that's why you do it while they're still alive but unconscious. You can kill them after you're done.

"Scientists have better things to do and spent their limited funds on"

Yea, but what if a religious organization wants to fund it.

"I think you seriously overestimate the # who kill themselves due to their sexuality, rather than drug or other problems that come from society rejecting them. Besides, fundamentalists believe that sexuality is not in the brain so why would they participate in this? "

Why do they get into conversion therapy at all then? Who knows, they're just irrational stupid people. Conversion therapy has always used somewhat scientific methods like shock therapy.
Also, gay people may not be killing themselves all that much, but trannies are sure as hell doing a pretty good job. By them offering their lives in the name of research, we could accomplish a lot.
We might not be able to "cure" gender dysphoria, BUT we would learn a lot about how gender works in relation to brain chemistry.

I mean, it's not like curing gays is the ONLY oppurtunity to be found by suicidal people offfering themselves for experimentation. We could discover something totally unrelated.
How else will we be able to work on a brain, while they're still alive and still functioning?

"Also you should NEVER try to push someone to off themselves, least of all for a reason like this. Evidently you think the lives of gay people who have been tormented by society have 0 worth. Thus you're no better than the tormentors"

Wrong... I think ALL lives have 0 worth. The only worth can come from ones own perception. ANYONE who percieves themselves as not having worth, has no worth. Worth is subjective. Only the individual can determine if one has worth or not.
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Really incredible man. Removing their brain will cut off cell activity within a few minutes and there goes your 'research'

Also the AMA would never allow them to kill anyone for experiments for any reason

The 'conversion therapy' fundamentalists go into often involves isolation, prayer, exorcism, and staring at tits, nothing scientific about it. Torture such as electric shock has been used be religious zealots to change behavior since forever
 
Henrin said:
They already know peoples sexuality can be changed as it has been done on accident several times.
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Just because you've gone from a love affair with zebras to jerk off sessions over cobras, by way of the unfortunate accident of being you, doesn't mean the rest of us are capable of this
 
whateverdude said:
Think bigger than that though.
If a suicidal person allows themselves to be put under, we can experiment and study a brain while it's still working and functioning. We could learn who knows how much? We could probably discover some new thing by accident.
And we wouldn't have to worry at all about safety since the person will die at the end of the procedure. We're just keeping them alive and unconcious for a while so we can study their brains while they're still alive, then kill them.
THey're gonna die anyway, so lets make them useful
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man you are one sadistic mother ****er. I really think mengele had the same intentions

obviously you picked gay people to pick on here, being a troll as well
 
countryboy said:
Most idiotic post ever. Hands down. Quite a feat, congrats. :applaud
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which part? Knowing you, it would be his claim that there are gay christians
 
chromium said:
Really incredible man. Removing their brain will cut off cell activity within a few minutes and there goes your 'research'

Also the AMA would never allow them to kill anyone for experiments for any reason

The 'conversion therapy' fundamentalists go into often involves isolation, prayer, exorcism, and staring at tits, nothing scientific about it. Torture such as electric shock has been used be religious zealots to change behavior since forever
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That's why you don't remove it. That's the point I'm making. You research and study the brain while it's still in the body attached to the skull. We're no taking it out, we're putting them under, slicing into it, doing some research, and killing them when we're done.
They don't get a chance to wake up.

And I think it's wrong that the AMA should be able to dictate voluntary proceedures.
 
chromium said:
Just because you've gone from a love affair with zebras to jerk off sessions over cobras, by way of the unfortunate accident of being you, doesn't mean the rest of us are capable of this
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Nice attack. If they determine how it was done then whatever they create with that knowledge should work for everyone.
 
chromium said:
man you are one sadistic mother ****er. I really think mengele had the same intentions

obviously you picked gay people to pick on here, being a troll as well
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I picked gays and trans cause they have a higher suicide rate, meaning they're better subjects. We need people to be suicidal so we can do research without worrying about the safety of the subject.

And Mengele didn't observe the non-aggression principle and use voluntary subjects only, so I don't see how I'm like him.
 
whateverdude said:
But with these closet homo christians, they'll do ANYTHING if they're desperate enough. I mean, if you wanna commit suicide cause you're gay? Why not volunteer your brain for science.
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I believe human life is has paramount value. Also being gay is not a crime. All people have sins and we have no right to judge them.
 
SCitizen said:
I believe human life is has paramount value. Also being gay is not a crime. All people have sins and we have no right to judge them.
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Something like 1/3 who attempt suicide not only survive but never attempt again. But he doesn't give a damn that his 'research' would 100% kill them because he's a hater troll
 
chromium said:
Something like 1/3 who attempt suicide not only survive but never attempt again. But he doesn't give a damn that his 'research' would 100% kill them because he's a hater troll
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Sadly many people have lost the idea that human life has paramount value.
 
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