Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

[Rexedgar]

Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse? - BBC News


“The "no deal" outcome could have been seen coming a mile away. Indeed, a serious reading of public North Korean statements since last year's Singapore summit would have revealed the core issue that resulted in a lack of agreement.
The day after the Singapore summit, North Korean state media paraphrased Kim Jong-un as noting Pyongyang would take "additional good-will measures" if the US took "genuine measures." By that date, North Korea had dismantled its nuclear testing site at Punggye-ri and announced a moratorium on nuclear tests and intercontinental-range ballistic missile tests.”


How will this play out?


Typo is BBC’s

 

[Kal'Stang]

What to make of it? Easy....at least Trump is trying which is more than I can say for our last several Presidents.

 

[Rexedgar]

What to make of it? Easy....at least Trump is trying which is more than I can say for our last several Presidents.

Trump went with “his gut.” He used the only “I can fix this,” mentality which has delivered such stellar results for his Administration.

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[Sgt Meowenstein]

Art of the deal

 

[Oborosen]

Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse? - BBC News


“The "no deal" outcome could have been seen coming a mile away. Indeed, a serious reading of public North Korean statements since last year's Singapore summit would have revealed the core issue that resulted in a lack of agreement.
The day after the Singapore summit, North Korean state media paraphrased Kim Jong-un as noting Pyongyang would take "additional good-will measures" if the US took "genuine measures." By that date, North Korea had dismantled its nuclear testing site at Punggye-ri and announced a moratorium on nuclear tests and intercontinental-range ballistic missile tests.”


How will this play out?


Typo is BBC’s

Seeing as Trump didn't have to dust of the dick sucking gear that Obama routinely packed on his "attempts" to deal with Kim. I'd say he did much better in most respects.

 

[Middleground]

What to make of it? Easy....at least Trump is trying which is more than I can say for our last several Presidents.

Obama tried with Iran. Trump ****ed that up. He does not give 2 ****s about peace.

 

[LosAngelesAngel]

What to make of it? Easy....at least Trump is trying which is more than I can say for our last several Presidents.

~ I think Kim is running out of time. It was said NK will be denuclearized one way or the other. Sadly I fear before this is over military action will occur .

 

[Rexedgar]

Seeing as Trump didn't have to dust of the dick sucking gear that Obama routinely packed on his "attempts" to deal with Kim. I'd say he did much better in most respects.

I have heard that oral sex is more common than you think, when two people are “in love!?”

 

[Oborosen]

I have heard that oral sex is more common than you think, when two people are “in love!?”

Got to ask Obama if he was able to quit addressing the family's needs then.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

What to make of it? Easy....at least Trump is trying which is more than I can say for our last several Presidents.

So far all Trump has managed to do is publicly shower a dictator with praise that has tortured to death American citizens and runs the most brutal and repressive regime in the history of civilization. So I will give you one thing, none of his predecessors would have ever done that.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Art of the deal

I think most of us now realize that Mr. Art of the Deal is a fraud. And the trump supporters still think he’s amazing because he’s “trying”. Lmao. I can’t even.


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[Cardinal]

What to make of it? Easy....at least Trump is trying which is more than I can say for our last several Presidents.

You’re confusing trying for flailing.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Seeing as Trump didn't have to dust of the dick sucking gear that Obama routinely packed on his "attempts" to deal with Kim. I'd say he did much better in most respects.

You must be living in a completely different reality. Trump has publicly showered Kim with praise.

Trump has said the following of Kim Jong Un:
"He's funny"
"He’s smart, loves his people, he loves his country. "
"great personality"
"He loves his people"
"We are in love"

This about a man that has hundreds of thousands of his own citizens in concentration camps so large they can be seen from space. A man that keeps multiple generations enslaved in death camps. A man that has held Americans hostage. A man that has tortured to death Americans.

No president in U.S. history has ever done something so utterly despicable. It would be like FDR publicly praising Nazi Germany, Truman showering Stalin with praise, or Nixon publicly showering Mao with praise when he opened China. No president has ever done anything like that. And why does Trump shower such a man with praise? Because he said nice things about Trump. That is all Trump cares about. He is a walking personality disorder.

Moreover, he got nothing out of it. He showers an evil dictator like Kim with praise and he gets nothing out of it. How do you defend that? For crying out loud, you guys on the right were accusing Obama of being a traitor when he politely bowed to the Japanese Emperor. Your man is going before the cameras and showering a dictator with praise that has literally tortured to death American citizens. How do you defend that?

 

[PeteEU]

What to make of it? Easy....at least Trump is trying which is more than I can say for our last several Presidents.

Trump is legitimising the North Korean regime by meeting them. He, like previous Presidents, could have sent surrogates and not given the North Korean bastard the TV time he wanted.

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[Oborosen]

You must be living in a completely different reality. Trump has publicly showered Kim with praise.

Trump has said the following of Kim Jong Un:
"He's funny"
"He’s smart, loves his people, he loves his country. "
"great personality"
"He loves his people"
"We are in love"

This about a man that has hundreds of thousands of his own citizens in concentration camps so large they can be seen from space. A man that keeps multiple generations enslaved in death camps. A man that has held Americans hostage. A man that has tortured to death Americans.

No president in U.S. history has ever done something so utterly despicable. It would be like FDR publicly praising Nazi Germany, Truman showering Stalin with praise, or Nixon publicly showering Mao with praise when he opened China. No president has ever done anything like that. And why does Trump shower such a man with praise? Because he said nice things about Trump. That is all Trump cares about. He is a walking personality disorder.

Moreover, he got nothing out of it. He showers an evil dictator like Kim with praise and he gets nothing out of it. How do you defend that? For crying out loud, you guys on the right were accusing Obama of being a traitor when he politely bowed to the Japanese Emperor. Your man is going before the cameras and showering a dictator with praise that has literally tortured to death American citizens. How do you defend that?

Great, Trump said some nice words on the world stage. Good to see that you agreed on him at least not getting on his knees and smiling like a donut.

I really don't care that you take the silly **** far too seriously. I'm not interested in making one of your failings into one of mine.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Great, Trump said some nice words on the world stage. Good to see that you agreed on him at least not getting on his knees and smiling like a donut.

I really don't care that you take the silly **** far too seriously. I'm not interested in making one of your failings into one of mine.

So, before one can declare themselves a Trump supporter, how do you get that rationalizer certification? They offer that at the local community colleges or was that a Trump University thing? I ask because you guys seem to be able to rationalize anything and everything Trump does, no matter how utterly despicable it is.

 

[rjay]

Given the circumstances, in the end, Trump played it correctly

I think North Korea went into this thinking they may get something for nothing, again.
It looks like the message the U.S. side is sending, this time out, is those days are over.

I think it was the right message to send.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse? - BBC News


“The "no deal" outcome could have been seen coming a mile away. Indeed, a serious reading of public North Korean statements since last year's Singapore summit would have revealed the core issue that resulted in a lack of agreement.
The day after the Singapore summit, North Korean state media paraphrased Kim Jong-un as noting Pyongyang would take "additional good-will measures" if the US took "genuine measures." By that date, North Korea had dismantled its nuclear testing site at Punggye-ri and announced a moratorium on nuclear tests and intercontinental-range ballistic missile tests.”

How will this play out?

Typo is BBC’s

Talks will continue.

I have no real interest in defending Trump but at least there is some degree of dialog with North Korea. The alternative is what had been going on during Bush 43's and Obama's time where it appeared the outcome would be eventual war.

No deal now does not mean there never will be one.

 

[noonereal]

What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

Easy answer.

Trump is an idiot.

Instead of listening to his Intel agencies and studying history he seek advise from the Kremlin. There is no way anything can end well with this approach. Well, not for the USA anyway.

 

[noonereal]

Talks will continue.

I have no real interest in defending Trump but at least there is some degree of dialog with North Korea. The alternative is what had been going on during Bush 43's and Obama's time where it appeared the outcome would be eventual war.

No deal now does not mean there never will be one.

Do you understand why there were no meetings prior to TRump? There was dialogue.

Under Trump

NOTHING of substance FOR THE USA has happened. Kim has enjoyed many advantages since TRump has come to power.

 

[beefheart]

Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse? - BBC News


“The "no deal" outcome could have been seen coming a mile away. Indeed, a serious reading of public North Korean statements since last year's Singapore summit would have revealed the core issue that resulted in a lack of agreement.
The day after the Singapore summit, North Korean state media paraphrased Kim Jong-un as noting Pyongyang would take "additional good-will measures" if the US took "genuine measures." By that date, North Korea had dismantled its nuclear testing site at Punggye-ri and announced a moratorium on nuclear tests and intercontinental-range ballistic missile tests.”


How will this play out?


Typo is BBC’s

Another stunt by a corrupt president meeting with a murdering dictator.

Winning...so much winning

 

[Obscurity]

Trump gets credit for trying.

But he doesn't, along with fox news and all the plebes that listen to them, get to lambast Venezuela now. NK is an actual communist nation, and here is out president, willingly embracing them, calling their dictator a great leader.

 

[Godric1970]

Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse? - BBC News


“The "no deal" outcome could have been seen coming a mile away. Indeed, a serious reading of public North Korean statements since last year's Singapore summit would have revealed the core issue that resulted in a lack of agreement.
The day after the Singapore summit, North Korean state media paraphrased Kim Jong-un as noting Pyongyang would take "additional good-will measures" if the US took "genuine measures." By that date, North Korea had dismantled its nuclear testing site at Punggye-ri and announced a moratorium on nuclear tests and intercontinental-range ballistic missile tests.”


How will this play out?


Typo is BBC’s

Trump proclaims making deals are easy that may be true if you are prepared to offer your counterpart incentives to make said deals, with typical American arrogance Trump travelled to Hanoi in the belief Kim would go along with him without giving him anything in return, to expect North Korea or any other sovereign nation to denuclearise without any meaningful incentive to do so because America demands it will never work.

Had Trump offered to remove some sanctions on getting a deal and a solemn binding promise of removing the rest of the sanctions on the completion of the denuclearisation of North Korea, then a deal would have been most likely forth coming it would have been the common sense approach with a clause in the deal being a failure to adhere to the agreement/deal would lead to the re-imposition of sanctions , this is what America does not understand without compromises there can be no deals and their national foreign policy of intervening in other countries politics or via aggressive military action is a fool hardy path to take especially with a country like North Korea

 

[Rexedgar]

Given the circumstances, in the end, Trump played it correctly

I think North Korea went into this thinking they may get something for nothing, again.
It looks like the message the U.S. side is sending, this time out, is those days are over.

I think it was the right message to send.

Message could/should have been delivered by “first class” mail instead of “special delivery!”

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Maybe now these reality show fake summits will end and trump will just listen to his intel and people who actually know what they are doing. It’s just embarrassing and a waste of time & money.


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