Trump says he is likely to support ending federal ban on marijuana

[trixare4kids]

Oh, I see. So you claimed there is no prison lobby. Then you said there is. Then you claimed its donations don't matter. Then you said they only matter a little bit.

Oh, well. It doesn't really mean anything. Prisons and Evangelicals want to keep cannabis illegal. It's not going to happen. You should see how well CO is doing since decriminalization (remotely, not in person).

It's doing well because of the tax revenue the sales are generating but what about Denver's spike in the crime rate?
Since its legalization, Denver's crime rise has risen as the national average has fallen. In 2016, the crime rate was up 4%, with violent crime rising 9%.
What do you attribute the rise to?

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

It's doing well because of the tax revenue the sales are generating but what about Denver's spike in the crime rate?
Since its legalization, Denver's crime rise has risen as the national average has fallen. In 2016, the crime rate was up 4%, with violent crime rising 9%.
What do you attribute the rise to?

Transients and legislative reforms that reclassified crimes.

 

[OlNate]

There is no private prison lobby in this country, private prisons have nowhere near the resources to be an effective lobby.

Why would big tobacco oppose pot legalization? I guarantee you the second the ink is dry on federal legalization all the hippies are going to be put out of business because RJ Reynolds has farmland, water rights, production facilities and distribution networks to every corner store on the American Continent. They're going to take over marijuana to make up for lost cigarette sales within months.

Hi, Seattle...I recommend reading the rest of the thread, I've gone into a lot of detail here, and would be happy to chat with you on it...just get caught up, as I've already addressed a lot of your thoughts. Spoiler alert, I'm right, you're wrong, of course... haha...jk, check it out, let me know if you think I'm crazy.

 

[trixare4kids]

Transients and legislative reforms that reclassified crimes.

Makes sense.
Btw, I am for the legalization of mj.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Risky Prediction No. 1246

Donald Trump will attempt to get Congress to approve the federal legalization or decriminalization of pot by using a percentage of tax revenue from state reefer sales to pay for the damn Trump Wall.

Which would be brilliant politically, because it puts liberals in a tough spot, they now have to oppose their own issue to avoid doing the most common sense thing there is about border security.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I've been thinking of big tobacco in pot and now they will have to lobby for interstate shipping and throw million$ on advertising.

For their own product, it seems they are late to the game.

They can't just roll in on an illegal product, but as soon as that is done they have money and the entire distribution network.

 

[RedAkston]

"Other party"? I'm not a Democrat. They are as bad as the Republicans are. It's just that the president is worse than all of them. You talk out of your ass like the rest of the mindless partisans in this forum and the world.

He didn't turn around the economy. At all.

He hasn't done anything with NK. Yet. I'm sure we'll have some good threads about it in a few days.

He is evil. I'm not sure that a lengthy discourse will not be a waste of my time, so I won't write (another) one now. Briefly, he has alienated the US's allies, he has emboldened the US's enemies, he has encouraged his base, i.e., straight, white Christians mostly, to treat every other American badly, he has decimated the intellectual abilities of his supporters, and he has transformed the presidency into an opportunity to enrich himself in terms of money and ego. He is the most corrupt, least intelligent, and most dangerous public figure in the country right now. I cannot wait for him to be gone.

Meanwhile, I fully support and praise every good thing the US has going it for it now. What qualifies is a matter of opinion, so I'll just leave it at that.

There's so much fantasy in this post that it's not really worth my time to tear it apart. I pity you if this is your actual view of Trump. I'll just wish you well.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I'd support that.

While we are at it, let's release all people from prison who were convicted on low-level drug crimes, like marijuana possession.

Nah, because there's no such thing as a low level marijuana offender in prison (ok there may be some people, but it's statistically not great) people think there's just tens of thousands of people who got shafted by the private prison industry, just enjoying a joint in their own home and bam! the Securitate bust in and take them away!

Not really, the majority of drug offense convictions are people who got arrested for something worse that either couldn't be conclusively proven or pled down to drug possession.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Makes sense.
Btw, I am for the legalization of mj.

We've actually seen a decrease in drug arrests and a massive increase in tax revenues, but we have other problems, as you noted. I also support legalization, but the gradual progress nationally creates issues.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

There's so much fantasy in this post that it's not really worth my time to tear it apart. I pity you if this is your actual view of Trump. I'll just wish you well.

Right back atcha.

 

[RAMOSS]

There is no private prison lobby in this country, private prisons have nowhere near the resources to be an effective lobby.

Why would big tobacco oppose pot legalization? I guarantee you the second the ink is dry on federal legalization all the hippies are going to be put out of business because RJ Reynolds has farmland, water rights, production facilities and distribution networks to every corner store on the American Continent. They're going to take over marijuana to make up for lost cigarette sales within months.

Hum. There are people that disagere with that https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-one-is-talking-about/?utm_term=.ecd7d4b0801a

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It's doing well because of the tax revenue the sales are generating but what about Denver's spike in the crime rate?
Since its legalization, Denver's crime rise has risen as the national average has fallen. In 2016, the crime rate was up 4%, with violent crime rising 9%.
What do you attribute the rise to?

The biggest problem is that with the federal prohibition is that they can't use banks, accept checks or debit cards, pay employees with direct deposit etc. So all of this business, the sales, the wages, the purchasing of product to put on the shelves is all in cash, not only that, but high cash businesses of the legal variety like grocery stores, corner stores, check cashing shops, payday lenders etc have their cash brought to them and taken to the bank in armored trucks with armed security guards, well those services won't deliver to marijuana stores. So ideally you'd want to move the MJ and cash with armored truck because they're valuable and untraceable.

So this needing to provide own security plus high cash, plus invisible untraceable valuable product means marijuana shops are ripe targets for criminals. Crime involving the MJ industry would go down by a lot if they could reduce cash business and use Garda or Loomis to deal with cash and product.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Which would be brilliant politically, because it puts liberals in a tough spot, they now have to oppose their own issue to avoid doing the most common sense thing there is about border security.

It could happen but it won't happen soon enough to help Trump and the GOP in mid-term elections. Beyond that it won't happen under Trump even with a Democratic House.

If it did happen it would be a deal made with the devil. What Congress taketh Congress never feckin giveth back. A federal tax on weed to build Trump's Wall would continue long, long after Trump's Wall would be built.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It could happen but it won't happen soon enough to help Trump and the GOP in mid-term elections. Beyond that it won't happen under Trump even with a Democratic House.

If it did happen it would be a deal made with the devil. What Congress taketh Congress never feckin giveth back. A federal tax on weed to build Trump's Wall would continue long, long after Trump's Wall would be built.

They may not even need help during the midterm, because really the jury is out on how it will happen now that the election has narrowed substantially.