The First Rule of Racism...

[Mycroft]

Trump's statements are undeniably racist. Always have been. This is just the latest example. Pointing it out is not playing the 'race card' or some imaginary 'reverse racism'. It is obvious.

There you go...playing that card again.

 

[ChezC3]

 

[RaleBulgarian]

If you don't present yourself at a port of entry, identify yourself and state the purpose of your entry then you have entered illegally.

Wrong. Immigrants are not required to enter only at ports of entry to legally claim asylum. They can, and very frequently do, request asylum as soon as approached by CBP officers after entering the U.S. at other locations, and at that point they are not legally considered “illegal immigrants”. Matter of fact, most if not all of the folks in the detention centers are not legally considered as “illegal immigrants”.

 

[Eriech]

If you are a Republican you need to be prepared to be called a racist, a sexist, a homophobe. It page one of the playbook.

Love that Trump keeps on keeping on irregardless of what the media or left says (I know redundant) What he does is he treats everyone the same. No holds barred.

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[Lutherf]

Wrong. Immigrants are not required to enter only at ports of entry to legally claim asylum. They can, and very frequently do, request asylum as soon as approached by CBP officers after entering the U.S. at other locations, and at that point they are not legally considered “illegal immigrants”. Matter of fact, most if not all of the folks in the detention centers are not legally considered as “illegal immigrants”.

You are simply flat out wrong. Everyone coming into the US has to present identification and state the purpose of their visit. If they are a citizen or LPR that can suffice as their purpose. Anyone found here who HAS NOT gone through proper entry procedures is here illegally. There are very few exceptions to that rule. For example, if you came here illegally prior to 1906 you could be deemed to be here legally but it's that type of extreme circumstance that's the exception.

 

[Jay59]

First rule is denial. Right? Got it!

You have acknowledged that you are in denial. Good start.

Admitting you have a serious problem is the first step to getting better. Now you need to acknowledge that you are no better than anyone else, hence have no right to point fingers.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

You are simply flat out wrong. Everyone coming into the US has to present identification and state the purpose of their visit. If they are a citizen or LPR that can suffice as their purpose. Anyone found here who HAS NOT gone through proper entry procedures is here illegally. There are very few exceptions to that rule. For example, if you came here illegally prior to 1906 you could be deemed to be here legally but it's that type of extreme circumstance that's the exception.

Sorry, you are the one who is flat out wrong.

“You may apply for asylum if you are at a port of entry or in the United States”
Questions and Answers: Asylum Eligibility and Applications | USCIS

 

[Lutherf]

Sorry, you are the one who is flat out wrong.

“You may apply for asylum if you are at a port of entry or in the United States”
Questions and Answers: Asylum Eligibility and Applications | USCIS

Right. You can apply at the port of entry. It becomes illegal, however, when instead of waiting in line to apply at the port of entry and remain outside the US until your application is processed you sneak in and THEN claim asylum. If all these asylum seekers did things the LEGAL way they wouldn't be in detention centers. They'd be sitting at the Juarez Motel 6 waiting to get their paperwork.

 

[Middle_Ground]

If it were 1000 they could handle it. It isn't 1000. Since October the numbers have been between 50,000 and 130,000 every month. - Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Thank you for that link but can you find a breakdown of asylum seekers. I've seen the numbers for apprehensions. I've seen the numbers for unaccompanied minors then wonder how a 3 year old was unaccompanied.
I can not find the simple number of asylum seekers.

Also what happens now to all those that are waiting on line for there asylum claim?

 

[apdst]

Your ignorance of the situation in Central America is demonstrated by your own words.



That's one of several hits on a Google search for: "persecution in central America"

So, you can't show us evidence of an ethnic group, or political group being persecuted by the government, or some para-military arm of, or independent of the government?

This stuff happens in The United States...

The killing of a loved one. An attempt at gang recruitment. A rape. Harassment by a police officer. A death threat over an outstanding extortion payment.

...no country is immune from those crimes.

You might want to slow down, calling someone ignorant.

 

[apdst]

Silly comment. My remarks were offered in clear, succinct, standard English. Next time, if you want to tell me what I'm "really" saying, do yourself a favor, don't paraphrase me; quote me directly.

Your problem seems to be that, like so many alt-right/white nationalist types who have lived blissfully ignorant lives of white entitlement, you don't understand what racism is. You think it's about feelings and emotions, but it's about actions. Racism and Bigotry are functional synonyms, not pure syinonyms.

One of the primary rhetorical tactics of people (all people) when defending arguments/opinions which they KNOW are predicated upon a superficial knowledge/understanding of the relevant subject matter...is to argue that there are no objective facts and insist that the issue is really just a matter of subjective opinion. That's what you're doing, here (along with a heavy dose of dishonesty by misrepresenting my previous remarks).

But the bottom line for you, here, is pretty simple. Racism and bigotry are not as subjective as most racists and bigots would like decent people to believe. In fact, Racism, in particular, is fairly objective. Discriminatory Actions and Behavior...speak louder than offensive, insensitive or careless words.




An alt-righties rationalization for his white grievance/victimhood "issues", above.

Luckily, it doesn't change REALITY for most decent people.

Reality is a real bitch. Ain't it?

 

[apdst]

You have acknowledged that you are in denial. Good start.

Admitting you have a serious problem is the first step to getting better. Now you need to acknowledge that you are no better than anyone else, hence have no right to point fingers.

I'm not a racist. That's your standard, not mine, nor am I the topic of the thread.

 

[Middle_Ground]

So, you can't show us evidence of an ethnic group, or political group being persecuted by the government, or some para-military arm of, or independent of the government?

This stuff happens in The United States...



...no country is immune from those crimes.

You might want to slow down, calling someone ignorant.

You don't need to be part of a political, or religious group to request asylum or refugee status.

Again why is/was it different for Cubans from the 90s on?

 

[apdst]

You don't need to be part of a political, or religious group to request asylum or refugee status.

Again why is/was it different for Cubans from the 90s on?

According to the law you do.

 

[3leftsdoo]

...is to deny you’re a racist. You are then set up if you are Caucasian to tell American citizens of color to go back to the countries they came from. The fact that the citizens you insult came from the same country you do does not spoil your racist message at all. Your racist supporters understand perfectly.

But imagine how telling someone to go back to the country they came from would go over if the statement was from a black American to a white American. See, it only works one way. That’s because it is a white racist trope.

The first rule of witch hunts...

...is to declare someone a witch.

If they say they're not, they're obviously lying, and must be burned.

If they admit they are, excellent; they must also be burned, but only after they identify additional witches.

:donkeyfla

 

[Jay59]

You don't need to be part of a political, or religious group to request asylum or refugee status. Again why is/was it different for Cubans from the 90s on?

Where did you get this? That's exactly what you have to be to claim asylum.

What about Cubans? Fleeing Castro was political, even in the 90s when Clinton wanted to end the sanctions.

 

[veritas1]

...is to deny you’re a racist. You are then set up if you are Caucasian to tell American citizens of color to go back to the countries they came from. The fact that the citizens you insult came from the same country you do does not spoil your racist message at all. Your racist supporters understand perfectly.

But imagine how telling someone to go back to the country they came from would go over if the statement was from a black American to a white American. See, it only works one way. That’s because it is a white racist trope.

You'd be better off explaining the first rule of race hucksterism.

 

[veritas1]

There's no such thing as a black racist because, for example, they can't do that (as you describe). Only the majority power has the capability to oppress a race as a whole.

Equating racism and racial bigotry serves racists.

That makes it damn convenient for the Farrkhans of the world. You have their backs.

 

[ecofarm]

That makes it damn convenient for the Farrkhans of the world. You have their backs.

Don't cry too much, poor victim.

 

[Jay59]

Trump's statements are undeniably racist. Always have been. This is just the latest example. Pointing it out is not playing the 'race card' or some imaginary 'reverse racism'. It is obvious.

This is silly. They are not undeniably anything. Denials have been common.

More to the point, denials have also been accurate.

 

[Middle_Ground]

Where did you get this? That's exactly what you have to be to claim asylum.

What about Cubans? Fleeing Castro was political, even in the 90s when Clinton wanted to end the sanctions.

Okay can you show me where it says that. The law I read with all the citations says it can be women, poor etc.

Cubans at the beginning of Castro's regime were fleeing political persecution from Castro they were the upper & middle class.
Later it was for economic reasons.

I'll say it again we sure have changed as a country.

 

[veritas1]

Don't cry too much, poor victim.

Glad to see you support racism as long as the targets are white. Nice.

 

[AProudLefty]

These women were engaging in propaganda which equated US border policy with WWII German concentration camps and Nazis. If they are not only allowed to engage in such absurd hyperbole but LAUDED for it then, in all fairness, Trump should also get a pass for his hyperbole.

AOC never once uttered the words "Nazi" and "Death camps". So please keep your right-wing propaganda nonsense to yourself. :thumbdown

 

[Jay59]

Okay can you show me where it says that. The law I read with all the citations says it can be women, poor etc.

Cubans at the beginning of Castro's regime were fleeing political persecution from Castro they were the upper & middle class.
Later it was for economic reasons.

I'll say it again we sure have changed as a country.

I agree. We had closed borders for most of the 20th century. Now there are mass objections to simply carrying out a deportation order.

Asylum is not a simple thing. For one thing, you have to be fleeing persecution. That means someone wants to kill you or throw you in jail because of your beliefs. Do you see where politics and religion come into it. The other thing is that you have to apply for asylum in the first neutral country--usually meaning Mexico. When Mexico offered work visas last spring, it probably killed 50,000 refugee claims on top of the already invalid asylum claims.

 

[ecofarm]

Glad to see you support racism as long as the targets are white. Nice.

That's stupid racist BS.