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The Big, Ugly, Local Battle For The Heart Of The GOP

Lord Tammerlain

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You could live a good life here on a California state pension, especially if you sold your California home, took the money, and bought a much bigger house in North Idaho. And you could leave behind all the things you dealt with on a daily basis back in California. “I’m not racist, but I just got tired of being a minority in Los Angeles, tired of explaining English to 7-Eleven clerks and counting their change for them,” one California transplant said in 1994. And North Idaho was nothing if not very, very white: Today, it’s 96.2% white; in 1990, it was 98.4%.

Some articulate their moves as the search for “cultural homogeneity”: “I get accused of racism often for this view,” one transplant wrote on a forum wondering why cops move to North Idaho, “but I believe I have the same right to my views as anyone and it’s NOT about race.” But that cultural homogeneity — coupled with a “mind your own business” attitude — is precisely what appealed to Richard Butler, who situated the Aryan Nations compound in Hayden, just north of Coeur d’Alene, in the late ’70s. Same for Randy Weaver, a sometime Aryan Nations rally attendee who moved to a spread of remote land called Ruby Ridge with his family to prepare for the apocalypse, later facing off with federal agents for 11 days over illegal weapons charges.
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I like the bold sentance
 
Well, I can kind of understand how needing to know a foreign language just to go through my daily routine in my own country can be a little frustrating. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a necessity here in Tucson but it sure comes in handy pretty often.
 
Lutherf said:
Well, I can kind of understand how needing to know a foreign language just to go through my daily routine in my own country can be a little frustrating. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a necessity here in Tucson but it sure comes in handy pretty often.
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I expect Spanish was being spoken in Tucson before English so I would not exactly call it a foreign language
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
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I like the bold sentance
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I would mock that quote in the op if I didn't have the honesty to admit I probably lived most of my adult life existing in the cultural equivalent of Northern Idaho. My job, my home and almost all of the places I go, the people there are always at least 85% White, 90% Christian or secular, 99% English speaking and darn near 100% professional or highly skilled. In fact, since my third year in U-grad, all of my classrooms and places of employment have been 90% male too. :shock:

I guess I live in Northern Idaho. :)
 
calamity said:
I would mock that quote in the op if I didn't have the honesty to admit I probably lived most of my adult life existing in the cultural equivalent of Northern Idaho. My job, my home and almost all of the places I go, the people there are always at least 85% White, 90% Christian or secular, 99% English speaking and darn near 100% professional or highly skilled. In fact, since my third year in U-grad, all of my classrooms and places of employment have been 90% male too. :shock:

I guess I live in Northern Idaho. :)
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Northern Idaho has been the White Supremacist Capital of the USA for Decades. Its Tentacles now reach into WA, OR, MT and Canada. Mormons in Southern Idaho can't stand these Nazis ...
 
chuckiechan said:
In California, what you saw in 1994 has now coalesce into “language ghettos” with little effective law enforcement due to distrust of law enforcement in general. They assume it’s like the countries they fled, yet they create the very conditions they have fled - crooks, thugs, gangs, and hopelessness.
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I saw a documentary on that. Organized crime is so powerful in the Barrio that even the journalists were threatened for daring to film in them.
 
calamity said:
I would mock that quote in the op if I didn't have the honesty to admit I probably lived most of my adult life existing in the cultural equivalent of Northern Idaho. My job, my home and almost all of the places I go, the people there are always at least 85% White, 90% Christian or secular, 99% English speaking and darn near 100% professional or highly skilled. In fact, since my third year in U-grad, all of my classrooms and places of employment have been 90% male too. :shock:

I guess I live in Northern Idaho. :)
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I'm three years older than Trump so my situation is different. I went through grade school, high school & college without having one single minority
classmate or schoolmate. Never knew anyone who spoke spanish until I joined the National Guard after college in the late 60's. We had two
immigrants from Germany in High School but were they considered minorities no, previously schooled in Europe they spoke English well.
 
slick said:
I'm three years older than Trump so my situation is different. I went through grade school, high school & college without having one single minority
classmate or schoolmate. Never knew anyone who spoke spanish until I joined the National Guard after college in the late 60's. We had two
immigrants from Germany in High School but were they considered minorities no, previously schooled in Europe they spoke English well.
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I grew up in a very ethnic neighborhood, but the darkest skin in it was Italian. And, there were a lot---the names in my 8th grade yearbook almost all end in vowels. Mine too.
 
calamity said:
I grew up in a very ethnic neighborhood, but the darkest skin in it was Italian. And, there were a lot---the names in my 8th grade yearbook almost all end in vowels. Mine too.
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McConnell's People are going to bury the White Supremacist Bannon ...
 
Odd, to me, that so many of you grew up without minorities around.


I grew up in the South. Went to elementary school with black kids, starting working with black folks at 13. Took Spanish in High School because the local Latino population was rising and it seemed useful. Had Indian and Japanese professors at the local university. About a third of the people I see in a given day are non-white, and it is never an issue unless someone else decides to make it one.

And yet I'm the one allegedly from Racist Central...
 
calamity said:
I grew up in a very ethnic neighborhood, but the darkest skin in it was Italian. And, there were a lot---the names in my 8th grade yearbook almost all end in vowels. Mine too.
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The town I grew up in was about 20 miles from the GW Bridge in Jersey. All ancestry came from Europe both north & south. Few towns had as
many Dutch sir name people as ours. Van Have, Van Duran, Van der Wall, Van Kampen, Van Dam just to name a few I almost felt like a minority, not really.

I went south to college, William & Mary. Robert Gates, Bush #2 & Obama's Sec. of Defense was a class ahead of me, only met him once or twice
when he came in to our dorms to shake hands as he was running for Clas President or something like that. My graduating class was 1966 the
last class before the college was integrated. Maybe I'm just provincial or homespun but from grade school through college everything suited me just fine.
 
Goshin said:
Odd, to me, that so many of you grew up without minorities around.


I grew up in the South. Went to elementary school with black kids, starting working with black folks at 13. Took Spanish in High School because the local Latino population was rising and it seemed useful. Had Indian and Japanese professors at the local university. About a third of the people I see in a given day are non-white, and it is never an issue unless someone else decides to make it one.

And yet I'm the one allegedly from Racist Central...
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Same here, except closer to 80% of the people I encounter on average are non-white. There have been days where I have encountered 0 white people. It was shocking to me when one guy I had met from Wisconsin said the town he lived in there was possibly 3 non white families.
 
slick said:
The town I grew up in was about 20 miles from the GW Bridge in Jersey. All ancestry came from Europe both north & south. Few towns had as
many Dutch sir name people as ours. Van Have, Van Duran, Van der Wall, Van Kampen, Van Dam just to name a few I almost felt like a minority, not really.

I went south to college, William & Mary. Robert Gates, Bush #2 & Obama's Sec. of Defense was a class ahead of me, only met him once or twice
when he came in to our dorms to shake hands as he was running for Clas President or something like that. My graduating class was 1966 the
last class before the college was integrated. Maybe I'm just provincial or homespun but from grade school through college everything suited me just fine.
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I grew up in a near suburb of a huge city. I've spent the rest of my life living in rural communities and working in or near much smaller cities. I've repeatedly turned down jobs offers in places like Atlanta, Seattle and Phoenix. I'll be reminded why again next week when I spend 4 days in downtown Chicago on business.
 
Dragonfly said:
Really? Allegedly? Really?

So racism hasn't been an issue in the south?

Dear god man....:doh
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Do you think the situation in Puerto Rico would be any different if they didn't speak Spanish? And do you think even 50% of the country knows their part of our country.

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Goshin said:
I grew up in the South.

And yet I'm the one allegedly from Racist Central...
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In the U.S., the South is Racist Central because of its history as the region that fought to protect the institution of slavery, imposed Jim Crow and resisted desegregation. Because of this legacy, you have a lot of very poor Blacks in the South. So, it's easy for rich Whites to stereotype poor Blacks. Poverty (especially urban poverty) carries with it many social ills and it's very easy to associate the problems of poverty with the race of those who are poor.

Places like Wisconsin where there are few minorities tend to be less racists than places like Alabama where there is a history of racial conflict.
 
Dragonfly said:
Really? Allegedly? Really?

So racism hasn't been an issue in the south?

Dear god man....:doh
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If you're not reading his post LOOKING to be offended and take it in the worst case possible, it seems he's not suggesting Racism "hasn't been an issue in the south", but rather he's suggesting in his life span it's not some issue that is massively isolated or unique to the South despite the stereotype of it being "racist central". That despite the stereotyping that is wantonly done of Southerners, plenty of them experienced a more diverse experience or less issues of racism than people who haven't lived I nteh south.
 
Zyphlin said:
If you're not reading his post LOOKING to be offended and take it in the worst case possible, it seems he's not suggesting Racism "hasn't been an issue in the south", but rather he's suggesting in his life span it's not some issue that is massively isolated or unique to the South despite the stereotype of it being "racist central". That despite the stereotyping that is wantonly done of Southerners, plenty of them experienced a more diverse experience or less issues of racism than people who haven't lived I nteh south.
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I'm from Houston and that's in the south and our number one export is kindness. We all get along

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SonOfDaedalus said:
In the U.S., the South is Racist Central because of its history as the region that fought to protect the institution of slavery, imposed Jim Crow and resisted desegregation. Because of this legacy, you have a lot of very poor Blacks in the South. So, it's easy for rich Whites to stereotype poor Blacks. Poverty (especially urban poverty) carries with it many social ills and it's very easy to associate the problems of poverty with the race of those who are poor.

Places like Wisconsin where there are few minorities tend to be less racists than places like Alabama where there is a history of racial conflict.
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Well I'm glad you're here to explain it to me. I've only lived in the South for most of 50 years, and also traveled most of the continental USA, so what do I know. :roll:
 
Zyphlin said:
If you're not reading his post LOOKING to be offended and take it in the worst case possible, it seems he's not suggesting Racism "hasn't been an issue in the south", but rather he's suggesting in his life span it's not some issue that is massively isolated or unique to the South despite the stereotype of it being "racist central". That despite the stereotyping that is wantonly done of Southerners, plenty of them experienced a more diverse experience or less issues of racism than people who haven't lived I nteh south.
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I'm in South Carolina, commonly viewed by outsiders as the most racist state in the union due to our firing the opening shots of the Civil War, and the recent issues with the flag.

The thing so many people that have never lived here (or never lived here long) don't realize is how much things have changed. I could write a book on the subject.

I was born in 1965. When I went to school integration was still a new thing, and racial relations remained a bit rocky. Many people still held to racial separatism as a preference. Interracial marriage was something you'd be ostracized for.

Today, I see white-haired Grandpa's walking through Wal-mart holding their mixed-race grandchildren and nobody bats an eye. I see white and black teens walking down the road as friends. I see interracial couples all the time.

Things have changed.

What I don't think a lot of our critics understand is we live with each other every day. We work together, go to the same schools, often live in the same neighborhoods, go to each other's houses, play together, TALK to each other... we live in a more integrated society than many of our critics do, in part because black folks are a large chunk of the population here.


And mostly, we get along pretty well.

This is why I get so angry at the self-righteous and unfounded labeling of my homeland as "just a bunch of racist rednecks".

I live in a county with tons of international business. We have Indians and Asians all over the place, lots of Europeans, we have a substantial population of Middle-Easterners including Muslims, and we have a huge number of Hispanics.

If we were the racists we're painted as being, the place would have gone up in flames years ago.


And the whole flag thing... dear and fluffy MLK... back in the time of the first flag issue, I remember sitting around the warehouse with my fellow employees (about half of them black), and talking about it calmly and with civility. One thing almost all agreed on was that we all resented the way people and organizations from out of state were stirring things up and pressuring us to do things their way, rather than letting us work it out as South Carolinians and make our own decision.


Being tarred with racism due to things long past or issues much overblown is very tiresome.
 
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