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Tesla Model 3 Revealed

Crovax said:
Yeah only $10-15k more than a gas car of the same size, so economical I dont know why everyone wont have one....
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35k is about the average price of a new car from BMW, Audi, Cadillac, or dozens of other car makers. You won't be able to find a car anywhere near 35k that can accelerate like a lamborghini, has the highest safety ratings in history from multiple ratings agencies, can run on any energy source known to man, and require virtually no maintenance or fluids. Additionally it has dozens of wireless sensors for autonomous driving and parking, including multiple radars and ultrasonic and a very powerful computer to fuse and analyze the data from all over the car.

You whined and complained when the previous models were 75k, you whine and complain when they're the same cost as lesser performing cars on the market, and you will continue to whine and complain when the price continues to get lower than less equipped cars. Really it's just what you do. If you don't want a Tesla, don't ****ing buy one. Tesla owners have been incredibly satisfied with their cars and the company continues to innovate and drive costs down. Also, speaking as someone living in the heart of Bavarian auto country working in the industry, you might as well just get used to electric cars, because ALL of the auto manufacturers are heavily, heavily pivoting towards going solely electric.

This is less about any issues you have with Tesla and more about you angrily trying to keep a death grip on dying and inferior technology.

ModerateGOP said:
The cars will not be delivered until mid-2018 but the starting price of $35K is pretty sweet:
Elon Musk gets the $35,000 Tesla Model 3 price tag he wanted ? but extras cost more - MarketWatch
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This isn't quite true. They already delivered a few dozen this month and will continue exponentially increasing their deliveries per month from here on out. So shipping has already begun and is ramping up.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
35k is about the average price of a new car from BMW, Audi, Cadillac, or dozens of other car makers. You won't be able to find a car anywhere near 35k that can accelerate like a lamborghini, has the highest safety ratings in history from multiple ratings agencies, can run on any energy source known to man, and require virtually no maintenance or fluids. Additionally it has dozens of wireless sensors for autonomous driving and parking, including multiple radars and ultrasonic and a very powerful computer to fuse and analyze the data from all over the car.

You whined and complained when the previous models were 75k, you whine and complain when they're the same cost as lesser performing cars on the market, and you will continue to whine and complain when the price continues to get lower than less equipped cars. Really it's just what you do. If you don't want a Tesla, don't ****ing buy one. Tesla owners have been incredibly satisfied with their cars and the company continues to innovate and drive costs down. Also, speaking as someone living in the heart of Bavarian auto country working in the industry, you might as well just get used to electric cars, because ALL of the auto manufacturers are heavily, heavily pivoting towards going solely electric.

This is less about any issues you have with Tesla and more about you angrily trying to keep a death grip on dying and inferior technology.



This isn't quite true. They already delivered a few dozen this month and will continue exponentially increasing their deliveries per month from here on out. So shipping has already begun and is ramping up.
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I think that sounds about right. Tesla seems to be doing okay. You still couldn't tour the continent very easily, but most cars aren't ever used for that anyway.
 
joG said:
I think that sounds about right. Tesla seems to be doing okay. You still couldn't tour the continent very easily, but most cars aren't ever used for that anyway.
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Disagree. There are many hundreds scattered through every major city and along every major highway, and more are being built every day.

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Tesla Supercharger Map
 
So what? Tesla 3's are not for the masses. Even at 35K, it is for the upper middle class/rich. Poor/lower class people cannot justify spending 35K on a car. Especially when they can get everything a Tesla has for at least $10-$15K less.


And also...Tesla is probably doomed. They still are losing money hand over fist every quarter. If my memory serves, they have posted only 4 profitable quarters in over 13 years?!?

https://ycharts.com/companies/TSLA/profit_margin

The ONLY things keeping them afloat are a ridiculously overinflated stock price that even Musk admits is not justified. And government discounts to the wealthy-upper middle class to buy EV's (because the lower classes sure as shoot cannot afford them..even the $35K model).

Elon Musk admits that Tesla's stock is out of control - Business Insider


And they lose thousands on every car they sell...and so does everyone else that sells them:

'Eric Noble, president of the CarLab, a consulting company in California, believes most automakers lose at least $10,000 per EV sale. Adding credibility to that estimate, Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne said in 2014 that Fiat-Chrysler was losing $14,000 per sale of its 500e.'

GM may lose $9,000 for every Bolt EV sold - Autofocus.ca

And that mega battery plant? It only dropped the production costs on batteries marginally, apparently. Lithium Ion is currently just too expensive for the amount of power they deliver.

Without a revolution in battery technology - as soon as the stock drops (and it will), Tesla's days are numbered.

And remember, Tesla had the field pretty much to themselves for years. Now almost all the major automakers are coming out with long range, relatively inexpensive cars (the Chevy Bolt is already out).


And BTW, I guarantee you that Tesla will not sell 300-500,000 Tesla 3's in 2018 (as they are bragging they will). NO WAY. Tesla is ALWAYS REALLY late/off with their predictions....ALWAYS.


And you tree huggers/Tesla lovers (and there are a LOT of them)...save it. Everything I said above is fact/best estimate based on current information. You don't like facts...too bad. And I don't debate with people with closed minds on subjects...waste of my time.

I LOVE electric cars. But their time has not yet arrived.
 
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DA60 said:
So what? Tesla 3's are not for the masses. Even at 35K, it is for the upper middle class/rich. Poor/lower class people cannot justify spending 35K on a car. Especially when they can get everything a Tesla has for at least $10-$15K less.
And also...Tesla is probably doomed. They still are losing money hand over fist every quarter. If my memory serves, they have posted only 4 profitable quarters in over 13 years?!?
https://ycharts.com/companies/TSLA/profit_margin
The ONLY things keeping them afloat are a ridiculously overinflated stock price that even Musk admits is not justified. And government discounts to the wealthy-upper middle class to buy EV's (because the lower classes sure as shoot cannot afford them..even the $35K model).
Elon Musk admits that Tesla's stock is out of control - Business Insider
And they lose thousands on every car they sell...and so does everyone else that sells them:
'Eric Noble, president of the CarLab, a consulting company in California, believes most automakers lose at least $10,000 per EV sale. Adding credibility to that estimate, Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne said in 2014 that Fiat-Chrysler was losing $14,000 per sale of its 500e.'
GM may lose $9,000 for every Bolt EV sold - Autofocus.ca
And that mega battery plant? It only dropped the production costs on batteries marginally, apparently. Lithium Ion is currently just too expensive for the amount of power they deliver.
Without a revolution in battery technology - as soon as the stock drops (and it will), Tesla's days are numbered.
And remember, Tesla had the field pretty much to themselves for years. Now almost all the major automakers are coming out with long range, relatively inexpensive cars (the Chevy Bolt is already out).
And BTW, I guarantee you that Tesla will not sell 300-500,000 Tesla 3's in 2018 (as they are bragging they will). NO WAY. Tesla is ALWAYS REALLY late/off with their predictions....ALWAYS.
And you tree huggers/Tesla lovers (and there are a LOT of them)...save it. Everything I said above is fact/best estimate based on current information. You don't like facts...too bad. And I don't debate with people with closed minds on subjects...waste of my time.
I LOVE electric cars. But their time has not yet arrived.
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A few counterpoints to this:

1) Show me a car in the 20-25k range that comes anywhere close to the performance and features of a Tesla, especially one that can be powered by any energy source.
2) 35k is a mass market price range. It does not have to be cheap enough for the poor and lower middle class to afford to be mass market.
3) Amazon didn't post a profit for 10 years because they constantly reinvested into building their infrastructure, yet negative-Nancys like yourself still criticized them every step of the way as unviable. There hasn't been a new American car company in over a 100 years, and it's specifically because of the infrastructure required to make a mass market car. Not posting profits to investors does not mean losing money.
4) The Gigfactory isn't even close to being finished or in full production capacity, so it's incredibly dishonest to pretend we should already be seeing dramatic effects in the world battery market. I would agree we need a new technology, but it's not necessary to make the Model 3 a viable mass market car.
5) The fact that you call people "tree huggers" who see the value in electric cars makes it obvious you're more interested in partisan hackery than an objective evaluation of the technology.

You remind me of someone in the late 70's ****ting on the Apple II because it couldn't yet be afforded by the lowest rungs of society. They just knocked off $40,000 off the price in one design iteration. I mean, Christ, give credit where credit is due. None of these car companies would've gotten off their lazy asses and began to innovate had Elon's boot not been shoved firmly up their asses.
 
Do you think they'll ever have fully electric larger sized cars?
 
holbritter said:
Do you think they'll ever have fully electric larger sized cars?
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The Tesla Model S weighs almost 5,000 pounds in some iterations and has an 116.5-inch wheelbase.

That is MUCH heavier with a longer wheelbase than the recently discontinued Ford Crown Victoria.

How big do you want them to be?
 
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DA60 said:
The Tesla Model S weighs almost 5,000 pounds in some iterations and has an 116.5-inch wheelbase.

That is MUCH heavier with a longer wheelbase than the recently discontinued Ford Crown Victoria.

How big do you want them to be?
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Sorry, I'm not a gear head. The picture of the car is a small looking car. Bigger than the ridiculously tiny Smart Car, but not big.
 
pretty amazing technology. electric cars used to be niche curiosities that would take you like one hundred miles. looks like the worm has definitely turned.
 
Cool 35k if you want their base model and nothing.
How much for the bigger battery which is what most people will want?

I say 45k
 
RabidAlpaca said:
35k is about the average price of a new car from BMW, Audi, Cadillac, or dozens of other car makers.
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and the $35k version of the model 3 is not comparable to those drop in the $15k worth of up grades and you can get there

You won't be able to find a car anywhere near 35k that can accelerate like a lamborghini, has the highest safety ratings in history from multiple ratings agencies, can run on any energy source known to man, and require virtually no maintenance or fluids. Additionally it has dozens of wireless sensors for autonomous driving and parking, including multiple radars and ultrasonic and a very powerful computer to fuse and analyze the data from all over the car.
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and you cant get that with tesla either, the model 3 clocks in at a modest 6.0 0-60

at $35k a bmw, benz or caddy has more luxury and for economical you can get a ford, chevy, dodge, honda or toyota for at least $10k cheaper

You whined and complained when the previous models were 75k, you whine and complain when they're the same cost as lesser performing cars on the market, and you will continue to whine and complain when the price continues to get lower than less equipped cars. Really it's just what you do. If you don't want a Tesla, don't ****ing buy one. Tesla owners have been incredibly satisfied with their cars and the company continues to innovate and drive costs down. Also, speaking as someone living in the heart of Bavarian auto country working in the industry, you might as well just get used to electric cars, because ALL of the auto manufacturers are heavily, heavily pivoting towards going solely electric.

This is less about any issues you have with Tesla and more about you angrily trying to keep a death grip on dying and inferior technology.
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If you wanna waste money on a substandard electrical car go for it. Electric cars are clearly the future but the are a money pit in the present and you seem to be the only one who is angrily grasping at straws.
 
ludin said:
Cool 35k if you want their base model and nothing.
How much for the bigger battery which is what most people will want?

I say 45k
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44K :mrgreen:

Its listed as a $9000 upgrade
 
RabidAlpaca said:
35k is about the average price of a new car from BMW, Audi, Cadillac, or dozens of other car makers. You won't be able to find a car anywhere near 35k that can accelerate like a lamborghini, has the highest safety ratings in history from multiple ratings agencies, can run on any energy source known to man, and require virtually no maintenance or fluids. Additionally it has dozens of wireless sensors for autonomous driving and parking, including multiple radars and ultrasonic and a very powerful computer to fuse and analyze the data from all over the car.

You whined and complained when the previous models were 75k, you whine and complain when they're the same cost as lesser performing cars on the market, and you will continue to whine and complain when the price continues to get lower than less equipped cars. Really it's just what you do. If you don't want a Tesla, don't ****ing buy one. Tesla owners have been incredibly satisfied with their cars and the company continues to innovate and drive costs down. Also, speaking as someone living in the heart of Bavarian auto country working in the industry, you might as well just get used to electric cars, because ALL of the auto manufacturers are heavily, heavily pivoting towards going solely electric.

This is less about any issues you have with Tesla and more about you angrily trying to keep a death grip on dying and inferior technology.



This isn't quite true. They already delivered a few dozen this month and will continue exponentially increasing their deliveries per month from here on out. So shipping has already begun and is ramping up.
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Um, are you forgetting the massive government subsidies Tesla receives? :roll: What would this car cost in the real world? :roll: :roll:
 
holbritter said:
Sorry, I'm not a gear head. The picture of the car is a small looking car. Bigger than the ridiculously tiny Smart Car, but not big.
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Yeah, electric cars are generally REALLY heavy compared to normal cars because the huge battery packs weigh so much.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
35k is about the average price of a new car from BMW, Audi, Cadillac, or dozens of other car makers. You won't be able to find a car anywhere near 35k that can accelerate like a lamborghini, has the highest safety ratings in history from multiple ratings agencies, can run on any energy source known to man, and require virtually no maintenance or fluids. Additionally it has dozens of wireless sensors for autonomous driving and parking, including multiple radars and ultrasonic and a very powerful computer to fuse and analyze the data from all over the car.

You whined and complained when the previous models were 75k, you whine and complain when they're the same cost as lesser performing cars on the market, and you will continue to whine and complain when the price continues to get lower than less equipped cars. Really it's just what you do. If you don't want a Tesla, don't ****ing buy one. Tesla owners have been incredibly satisfied with their cars and the company continues to innovate and drive costs down. Also, speaking as someone living in the heart of Bavarian auto country working in the industry, you might as well just get used to electric cars, because ALL of the auto manufacturers are heavily, heavily pivoting towards going solely electric.

This is less about any issues you have with Tesla and more about you angrily trying to keep a death grip on dying and inferior technology.



This isn't quite true. They already delivered a few dozen this month and will continue exponentially increasing their deliveries per month from here on out. So shipping has already begun and is ramping up.
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Well on their website they say most deliveries will be expect in mid-2018 as not to disappoint I'm sure. I think every major car manufacturer promised to stop making gas cars by 2040.
 
Better. Much better. But 35k is about 15k more than I am willing to spend on a car.

It's getting there, though.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Disagree. There are many hundreds scattered through every major city and along every major highway, and more are being built every day.

tesla-superchargers-destination-chargers.jpg


Tesla Supercharger Map
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I didn't say it was impossible to organize. But, if your range is cut to 350 miles a day and you are crossing deserts, or even only taking the one trip I did up through North Dakota into Canada, or taking a trip across Europe, The unplanned style of travel will be quite reduced from the leisurely way I have preferred.
 
joG said:
I didn't say it was impossible to organize. But, if your range is cut to 350 miles a day and you are crossing deserts, or even only taking the one trip I did up through North Dakota into Canada, or taking a trip across Europe, The unplanned style of travel will be quite reduced from the leisurely way I have preferred.
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It's not cut to 350 miles a day. Charging takes 20-30 minutes for a 80-90% charge. Grab a coffee, eat a sandwich and you're ready to go again.
 
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