Swedes rapidly losing trust in Covid-19 strategy, poll finds

[swing_voter]

“The differences are big enough that we can say with certainty that there has been a real change,” an Ipsos analyst, Nicklas Källebring, told the paper. “The view of authorities’ capabilities has taken a clear negative turn.”

Unlike most EU countries, Sweden did not try to shut society down. It closed schools for the over-16s and banned gatherings of more than 50 people, but otherwise relied on Swedes’ sense of civic responsibility to observe physical distancing and home working guidelines. Shops, restaurants and gyms remained open.

Swedes rapidly losing trust in Covid-19 strategy, poll finds | World news | The Guardian

The Sweden plan put the economy before human lives. Looks like Swedes are starting to think it was a bad idea.


If you look at the number of virus deaths per 1 million population:


Sweden 523 deaths per million population

America 383

Germany 108


A lot of people have been dying in Sweden.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The Sweden plan put the economy before human lives. Looks like Swedes are starting to think it was a bad idea.


If you look at the number of virus deaths per 1 million population:


Sweden 523 deaths per million population

America 383

Germany 108


A lot of people have been dying in Sweden.

I don’t think a few thousand constitutes a lot. And besides people who want a lockdown can stay home.

 

[Ikari]

Norway seems to be doing the best at 8788 cases and 249 deaths, giving it a 2.88% mortality rate and 46.4 deaths/million. But yes, if you look at Denmark and Norway, Sweden is doing terribly.

 

[Sweden]

The Sweden plan put the economy before human lives. Looks like Swedes are starting to think it was a bad idea.


If you look at the number of virus deaths per 1 million population:


Sweden 523 deaths per million population

America 383

Germany 108


A lot of people have been dying in Sweden.

I never HAD any trust in our governments strategy, which is why we have been self-isolating for over 3 months.

 

[Snazzy]

There's been talk that a vaccine isn't coming anytime soon, if at all. Based on other colds and flu strains that have been around forever which still have no vaccine as such.

Also, some people are of the belief that most of us are going to catch this virus at some point or other, so any measures now in place are simply controlling and deferring the inevitable.

Like Ikari mentioned, if you compare Denmark and Norway, then Sweden is doing terribly, but in the overall scheme of things are they simply biting the bullet sooner rather than later?

We're clearly seeing an upturn in cases in some EU countries, which was unavoidable once the population starting interacting again, so maybe we will see some countries death tolls per million start overtaking Sweden over the coming months-

 

[PeteEU]

There's been talk that a vaccine isn't coming anytime soon, if at all. Based on other colds and flu strains that have been around forever which still have no vaccine as such.

Also, some people are of the belief that most of us are going to catch this virus at some point or other, so any measures now in place are simply controlling and deferring the inevitable.

Like Ikari mentioned, if you compare Denmark and Norway, then Sweden is doing terribly, but in the overall scheme of things are they simply biting the bullet sooner rather than later?

We're clearly seeing an upturn in cases in some EU countries, which was unavoidable once the population starting interacting again, so maybe we will see some countries death tolls per million start overtaking Sweden over the coming months-

The argument for doing what Sweden did was the economy. Swedens economy is projected to contract about the same as the Danish if not more.

Another argument was herd immunity. A few weeks ago Sweden had about 5% of the population with anti bodies, where as Spain had 6.1%. In fact lock down Madrid had a higher herd immunity number than not lock down Stockholm..

So both arguments for doing what Sweden did have been debunked and it cost them almost 6 k deaths so far and being excluded from international travel in the short term.

Sent from my Honor 8X

 

[PoS]

This a moot point now since all other countries are opening up, so we are all now in a herd immunity phase. No one wants to go back into lockdown because its economic suicide.

 

[Snazzy]

This a moot point now since all other countries are opening up, so we are all now in a herd immunity phase. No one wants to go back into lockdown because its economic suicide.

I agree.

Good post, certainly one of your better ones.

 

[Helix]

"La la la it isn't happening la la la can't hear you la la la still can't hear you can't hear you infinity" is not a good pandemic strategy, as the willfully uninformed in the states are currently proving.

 

[Chagos]

"La la la it isn't happening la la la can't hear you la la la still can't hear you can't hear you infinity" is not a good pandemic strategy, as the willfully uninformed in the states are currently proving.

Yeah, seeing how the virus does not enter via the ears, putting a finger into each one is pretty useless.

 

[Drawdown]

"La la la it isn't happening la la la can't hear you la la la still can't hear you can't hear you infinity" is not a good pandemic strategy, as the willfully uninformed in the states are currently proving.

Their cases are going up because they are just starting to test so they will have a backlog of positives.

 

[Helix]

Their cases are going up because they are just starting to test so they will have a backlog of positives.

they could always try Chancellor Squirrlehead proposal of testing less. well, i mean, for the regular people. Punkinhead is still tested daily.

 

[Drawdown]

they could always try Chancellor Squirrlehead proposal of testing less. well, i mean, for the regular people. Punkinhead is still tested daily.

They claim that their number of new serious cases is going down. as for Chancellor Squirrlehead, I don't really follow day to day German politics, so I will take your word on it.

 

[Helix]

They claim that their number of new serious cases is going down. as for Chancellor Squirrlehead, I don't really follow day to day German politics, so I will take your word on it.

King Tangface does have German heritage, i think.

 

[Drawdown]

King Tangface does have German heritage, i think.

Either way, since their minions tireless work hasn't yielded a realistic date certain we are safe, time to rip the band aid off. Otherwise they will keep us closed forever.

 

[cabse5]

The Sweden plan put the economy before human lives. Looks like Swedes are starting to think it was a bad idea.


If you look at the number of virus deaths per 1 million population:


Sweden 523 deaths per million population

America 383

Germany 108


A lot of people have been dying in Sweden.

There's no doubt certain segments of the population are greatly at risk from Covid. There's also no doubt that the supermajority of the population isn't affected from Covid.

Mebe someone will come up with an plan to actually protect those most at risk from Covid?:roll:

 

[MamboDervish]

Their cases are going up because they are just starting to test so they will have a backlog of positives.

Their hospitalizations are going up, and their fatalities are going up. That has nothing whatsoever to do with testing.

 

[Drawdown]

Their hospitalizations are going up, and their fatalities are going up. That has nothing whatsoever to do with testing.

Declaring something doesn't make it true.

"But Tegnell objected to Kluge's warning, saying that WHO officials were misinterpreting Sweden's epidemiological data. In Tegnell's view, the rise in new cases is due to a recent bump in testing. He added that Sweden is seeing a relatively low number of admissions to intensive care units, along with a decline in COVID-19 deaths." Swedish Disease Expert Calls WHO's COVID-19 Warning 'A Total Mistake' | 89.3 KPCC

 

[MamboDervish]

Declaring something doesn't make it true.

"But Tegnell objected to Kluge's warning, saying that WHO officials were misinterpreting Sweden's epidemiological data. In Tegnell's view, the rise in new cases is due to a recent bump in testing. He added that Sweden is seeing a relatively low number of admissions to intensive care units, along with a decline in COVID-19 deaths." Swedish Disease Expert Calls WHO's COVID-19 Warning 'A Total Mistake' | 89.3 KPCC

I see. So this one Swedish epidemiologist has somehow achieved more credibility than the World Health Organization.
Well . . . pardon me for going with their "misinterpretation".

 

[Chagos]

they could always try Chancellor Squirrlehead proposal of testing less. well, i mean, for the regular people. Punkinhead is still tested daily.

They pretty much did that (kind of) after, testing in the first weeks of having identified their outbreak, they then shifted away from testing.

Having meanwhile realized their ****-up, they've now gone back to testing.

Idiots.

 

[Drawdown]

I see. So this one Swedish epidemiologist has somehow achieved more credibility than the World Health Organization.
Well . . . pardon me for going with their "misinterpretation".

You are free to believe WHO. Did you believe them when they were not declaring this a pandemic too? He is not just one Swedish epidemiologist BTW. Swedish State Epidemiologist is his job title.

 

[Helix]

Either way, since their minions tireless work hasn't yielded a realistic date certain we are safe, time to rip the band aid off. Otherwise they will keep us closed forever.

Ripping the tourniquet off of an artery without effectively treating the underlying problem is super dumb.

 

[Drawdown]

Ripping the tourniquet off of an artery without effectively treating the underlying problem is super dumb.

Putting a tourniquet on a limb to treat a toothache is even dumber.

 

[MamboDervish]

You are free to believe WHO. Did you believe them when they were not declaring this a pandemic too? He is not just one Swedish epidemiologist BTW. Swedish State Epidemiologist is his job title.

Point taken.

 

[Linc]

The argument for doing what Sweden did was the economy. Swedens economy is projected to contract about the same as the Danish if not more.

Another argument was herd immunity. A few weeks ago Sweden had about 5% of the population with anti bodies, where as Spain had 6.1%. In fact lock down Madrid had a higher herd immunity number than not lock down Stockholm..

So both arguments for doing what Sweden did have been debunked and it cost them almost 6 k deaths so far and being excluded from international travel in the short term. Sent from my Honor 8X

The sooner Europe closes travel to the USA and Brazil, the better. Today we saw what an evangelical LIAR looks like —> Pence.