Survey: America wants stronger gun laws by huge margin

[haymarket]

In the wake of Florida, the NRA loses big time in the court of public opinion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/vot...l-after-florida-shooting-quinnipiac-poll.html

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  Ninety-seven percent of voters back universal background checks, versus only 2 percent who do not, according to the Quinnipiac poll. The percentage of voters supporting the policy rose from 95 percent in December.
• Sixty-seven percent of voters support a nationwide ban on assault weapons, versus 29 percent who oppose it, the survey found. In November, 65 percent of voters backed an assault weapons ban. Multiple mass shooters in recent years have used semiautomatic rifles like the AR-15.
• In addition, 67 percent of respondents said it was too easy to buy a gun in the U.S., the poll said. Three percent responded that it was too difficult, while 25 percent said the difficulty of getting a gun is about right.

Huge numbers in favor of stronger gun laws. Perhaps the tide has turned. But I would not bet on it to yield any significant legislation as the GOP will never support anything other than the nod and wink from the gun lobby to do something mild and cosmetic while the real hard stuff like assault weapons bans died a sad death and is forgotten.

At least until the next group of school kids is massacred. They we can engage in the farce all over again.

 

[iguanaman]

In the wake of Florida, the NRA loses big time in the court of public opinion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/vot...l-after-florida-shooting-quinnipiac-poll.html



Huge numbers in favor of stronger gun laws. Perhaps the tide has turned. But I would not bet on it to yield any significant legislation as the GOP will never support anything other than the nod and wink from the gun lobby to do something mild and cosmetic while the real hard stuff like assault weapons bans died a sad death and is forgotten.

At least until the next group of school kids is massacred. They we can engage in the farce all over again.

We need common sense gun laws that make the buyer prove they are responsible and have a valid need for the weapon. Our current method is completely backwards. Guns are not toys or icons to feed a twisted obsession with killing. That boy had no need for 10 rifles and should never have been allowed to buy them.

Restricting sales works
Due to the Second Amendment, the United States has permissive gun licensing laws. This is in contrast to most developed countries, which have restrictive laws.

According to a seminal work by criminologists George Newton and Franklin Zimring, permissive gun licensing laws refer to a system in which all but specially prohibited groups of persons can purchase a firearm. In such a system, an individual does not have to justify purchasing a weapon; rather, the licensing authority has the burden of proof to deny gun acquisition.

By contrast, restrictive gun licensing laws refer to a system in which individuals who want to purchase firearms must demonstrate to a licensing authority that they have valid reasons to get a gun — like using it on a shooting range or going hunting — and that they demonstrate “good character.”

The type of gun law adopted has important impacts. Countries with more restrictive gun licensing laws show fewer deaths by firearms and a lower gun ownership rate.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/6-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-us-2017-10-02

 

[Captain Adverse]

In the wake of Florida, the NRA loses big time in the court of public opinion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/vot...l-after-florida-shooting-quinnipiac-poll.html



Huge numbers in favor of stronger gun laws. Perhaps the tide has turned. But I would not bet on it to yield any significant legislation as the GOP will never support anything other than the nod and wink from the gun lobby to do something mild and cosmetic while the real hard stuff like assault weapons bans died a sad death and is forgotten.

At least until the next group of school kids is massacred. They we can engage in the farce all over again.

Emotions always run high when media plays on them during a tragedy to push an agenda...

Give it time, and the emotions will tone down. :coffeepap:

 

[KevinKohler]

No problem. Amend the constitution.

 

[OrphanSlug]

In the wake of Florida, the NRA loses big time in the court of public opinion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/vot...l-after-florida-shooting-quinnipiac-poll.html

Huge numbers in favor of stronger gun laws. Perhaps the tide has turned. But I would not bet on it to yield any significant legislation as the GOP will never support anything other than the nod and wink from the gun lobby to do something mild and cosmetic while the real hard stuff like assault weapons bans died a sad death and is forgotten.

At least until the next group of school kids is massacred. They we can engage in the farce all over again.

In other shocking news, ice is still pretty damn cold.

You ask any group after something that brings out an emotional response and they will gladly give their freedoms away. We do this all the time, hence 9/11 when we turned to widespread unchecked domestic spying on all of us to "keep us safe."

 

[haymarket]

Emotions always run high when media plays on them during a tragedy to push an agenda...

Give it time, and the emotions will tone down. :coffeepap:

yes - the tried and tested NRA position that always wins out in the end.

 

[haymarket]

In other shocking news, ice is still pretty damn cold.

You ask any group after something that brings out an emotional response and they will gladly give their freedoms away. We do this all the time, hence 9/11 when we turned to widespread unchecked domestic spying on all of us to "keep us safe."

What "freedoms" are you referring to that will be given away?

 

[Captain Adverse]

yes - the tried and tested NRA position that always wins out in the end.

More like the tried and tested position of RATIONAL people who refuse to be swayed by appeals to emotion.

 

[OrphanSlug]

What "freedoms" are you referring to that will be given away?

It is just a philosophical position about the idea that stronger gun laws make us safe.

The article that you went with, is about several things but little is about pure public opinion. And I was a little concerned over the idea by the author that gang violence is acceptable to be removed from the equation, while putting up an argument that other changes to the definition of "mass-shootings" was not acceptable.

Seemed like manufacturing a conclusion, much like this thread.

 

[Kal'Stang]

In the wake of Florida, the NRA loses big time in the court of public opinion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/vot...l-after-florida-shooting-quinnipiac-poll.html



Huge numbers in favor of stronger gun laws. Perhaps the tide has turned. But I would not bet on it to yield any significant legislation as the GOP will never support anything other than the nod and wink from the gun lobby to do something mild and cosmetic while the real hard stuff like assault weapons bans died a sad death and is forgotten.

At least until the next group of school kids is massacred. They we can engage in the farce all over again.

The same happened after Sandy Hook. Guess what happened? It's easy to find polls that favor gun control right after a highly publicized event such as what happened in either Florida or Sandy Hook. After awhile things simmer down and go back to being normal.

 

[Kal'Stang]

We need common sense gun laws that make the buyer prove they are responsible and have a valid need for the weapon. Our current method is completely backwards. Guns are not toys or icons to feed a twisted obsession with killing. That boy had no need for 10 rifles and should never have been allowed to buy them.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/6-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-us-2017-10-02

Name me any other Right in which people have to prove that they are responsible enough to exercise that Right. One. Single. Right. Name it.

 

[holbritter]

Why have I never been asked any question for a poll in all the years I've been on this earth?

 

[Kal'Stang]

yes - the tried and tested NRA position that always wins out in the end.

Perhaps because legislation based on level heads is far more preferable to legislation based on emotion. That is why we live in a Republic after all.

 

[ttwtt78640]

In the wake of Florida, the NRA loses big time in the court of public opinion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/vot...l-after-florida-shooting-quinnipiac-poll.html



Huge numbers in favor of stronger gun laws. Perhaps the tide has turned. But I would not bet on it to yield any significant legislation as the GOP will never support anything other than the nod and wink from the gun lobby to do something mild and cosmetic while the real hard stuff like assault weapons bans died a sad death and is forgotten.

At least until the next group of school kids is massacred. They we can engage in the farce all over again.

The idea of universal BGCs would obviously include a national (universal?) gun registration requirement. How else could one assure that each gun (and its current owner) was in compliance?

The last AWB law grandfathered in all existing guns and was allowed to expire making it pretty much of a joke. I don't see the US ever going the way of Australia but such talk will likely cause a run on "assault rifles" to beat the grandfather date.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The same happened after Sandy Hook. Guess what happened? It's easy to find polls that favor gun control right after a highly publicized event such as what happened in either Florida or Sandy Hook. After awhile things simmer down and go back to being normal.

Gun and ammo sales soared.

 

[iguanaman]

Name me any other Right in which people have to prove that they are responsible enough to exercise that Right. One. Single. Right. Name it.

You have to prove you residence and your identity as well as register in order to vote. Why can't we register people who want to buy guns? We also have a law that forbids guns to felons or the mentally ill so why shouldn't the buyer have to prove that he isn't those things?

 

[Kal'Stang]

You have to prove you residence and your identity as well as register in order to vote. Why can't we register people who want to buy guns? We also have a law that forbids guns to felons or the mentally ill so why shouldn't the buyer have to prove that he isn't those things?

You do not have to prove that you are responsible in order to vote.

It's not up to the individual to prove that they can exercise their Rights. It's up to the government to prove that they can't.

Try again.

 

[Moderate Right]

In the wake of Florida, the NRA loses big time in the court of public opinion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/vot...l-after-florida-shooting-quinnipiac-poll.html



Huge numbers in favor of stronger gun laws. Perhaps the tide has turned. But I would not bet on it to yield any significant legislation as the GOP will never support anything other than the nod and wink from the gun lobby to do something mild and cosmetic while the real hard stuff like assault weapons bans died a sad death and is forgotten.

At least until the next group of school kids is massacred. They we can engage in the farce all over again.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/most-see-...screening-100000553--abc-news-topstories.html

 

[MrPeanut]

It matters where you win. Not by how much.

 

[Casper]

In the wake of Florida, the NRA loses big time in the court of public opinion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/vot...l-after-florida-shooting-quinnipiac-poll.html



Huge numbers in favor of stronger gun laws. Perhaps the tide has turned. But I would not bet on it to yield any significant legislation as the GOP will never support anything other than the nod and wink from the gun lobby to do something mild and cosmetic while the real hard stuff like assault weapons bans died a sad death and is forgotten.

At least until the next group of school kids is massacred. They we can engage in the farce all over again.

Sorry, but the only polls that actually count takes place every two years, oh, and we do not write laws based on polls or emotions, you really do not want that to be true.

 

[Casper]

You have to prove you residence and your identity as well as register in order to vote. Why can't we register people who want to buy guns? We also have a law that forbids guns to felons or the mentally ill so why shouldn't the buyer have to prove that he isn't those things?

Per the law they already did prove it when they passed a background check. Whether all agencies are doing their part or not is not the fault of the citizens purchasing firearms, make them enforce the law as written.

 

[iguanaman]

Per the law they already did prove it when they passed a background check. Whether all agencies are doing their part or not is not the fault of the citizens purchasing firearms, make them enforce the law as written.

The law is not working as it is. We need to stop the assumption that a gun buyer is qualified. Putting the burden on Govt. to prove they are not is backwards. It is like we WANT everyone to buy a gun no matter how unsafe it might be for them to own one. Most gun buyers don't know that the most likely "use" for that firearm will be their own or one of their families suicide. Just owning a gun raises the chances of you or a family member being shot considerably.

 

[iguanaman]

You do not have to prove that you are responsible in order to vote.

It's not up to the individual to prove that they can exercise their Rights. It's up to the government to prove that they can't.

Try again.

When was the last time a voter used his "I voted" sticker to kill 17 people in a school? Yet voters need to prove they are qualified to vote and register with the Govt. not the other way around. Can you imagine if the Govt. was forced to prove someone can't vote instead of the system we have now?

 

[haymarket]

More like the tried and tested position of RATIONAL people who refuse to be swayed by appeals to emotion.

Yeah - scaring the bejesus out of the right wing by telling them that the gubmint is comin for their guns is not an appeal to emotion. :doh:roll:

 

[haymarket]

The same happened after Sandy Hook. Guess what happened? It's easy to find polls that favor gun control right after a highly publicized event such as what happened in either Florida or Sandy Hook. After awhile things simmer down and go back to being normal.

what happened was NOTHING. Same that will happen this time and every time.