Sally Kohn: Fox News Not So Bad

[Moderate Right]

To say up front, I don't watch Fox News (except for Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace) but the left should really read this piece by one of Fox's ex liberal commentators or contributors:





https://www.yahoo.com/news/liberal-worked-fox-news-apos-143821545.html

 

[PLizzy]

To say up front, I don't watch Fox News ...

Odd.

For someone that doesn't watch them, you sure do pitch them like you do.

 

[OlNate]

Odd.

For someone that doesn't watch them, you sure do pitch them like you do.

hehe...oh, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. If Mod found out that eating chocolate covered horse buns would trigger liberals, he'd be all about it...

Just playin', Mod....

Actually, the line I like best from this article is this:

The more I got out of my own liberal bubble, the more I met other conservatives who were neither stupid nor hateful — or at least no more deliberately hateful than I was

This is a great takeaway, and one that I've really seen play out here, with some of the conservative friends that I have made.

I mean, Fox news is, in general, is about as tasteful and interesting as an ant eater's ass wipe, but that hardly is a fair generalization of the majority of conservatives, just like some of the nonsense you see on CNN isn't representative of all liberals...or any, from time to time, you've got to take it all with a grain of salt, and one at a time.

This isn't to say that there aren't stupid and hateful conservatives...or liberals, for that matter. Just that those of us that can talk to each other and accept that the other guys might have good ideas too on certain things should really see what forcing the assholes of the room will do for the conversation in general. Something tells me that we'd all be not as far apart as the assholes, the news, or politicians would like us to believe.

 

[Mach]

You don't watch Fox, so you're plugging Fox?
How are we gonna debate you about what a joke Fox is, if you haven't watched it and will not be able to debate any side?

From the rambling article:

What I am saying is that I realized that the person I’d thought of as entirely cruel, as the caricature of a horrific right-wing monster, is actually caring and kind, and a good dad and a supportive friend. Including a supportive friend to me.

Which says nothing to Hannity's conspiracy theory peddling, divisive, low-brow entertainment show masquerading as having something to do with political analysis.
So Hannity does ****ty things so he can lead a rich and powerful life and he doesn't beat his kids, and has friends...wow, this means Fox isn't that bad of a network! Just the opposite.

 

[Barnacle]

To say up front, I don't watch Fox News (except for Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace) but the left should really read this piece by one of Fox's ex liberal commentators or contributors:





https://www.yahoo.com/news/liberal-worked-fox-news-apos-143821545.html

The left can't read ...

 

[chuckiechan]

hehe...oh, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. If Mod found out that eating chocolate covered horse buns would trigger liberals, he'd be all about it...

Just playin', Mod....

Actually, the line I like best from this article is this:



This is a great takeaway, and one that I've really seen play out here, with some of the conservative friends that I have made.

I mean, Fox news is, in general, is about as tasteful and interesting as an ant eater's ass wipe, but that hardly is a fair generalization of the majority of conservatives, just like some of the nonsense you see on CNN isn't representative of all liberals...or any, from time to time, you've got to take it all with a grain of salt, and one at a time.

This isn't to say that there aren't stupid and hateful conservatives...or liberals, for that matter. Just that those of us that can talk to each other and accept that the other guys might have good ideas too on certain things should really see what forcing the assholes of the room will do for the conversation in general. Something tells me that we'd all be not as far apart as the assholes, the news, or politicians would like us to believe.

“I have conservative friends too” = “I have black friends, too”

Gee, I feel better now knowing I’m not a deplorable all the time.

BTW, if you don’t watch Fox News, then how the hell do you know anything about Fox?

 

[MrWonka]

To say up front, I don't watch Fox News (except for Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace) but the left should really read this piece by one of Fox's ex-liberal commentators or contributors:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/liberal-worked-fox-news-apos-143821545.html

What I am saying is that I realized that the person I’d thought of as entirely cruel, as the caricature of a horrific right-wing monster, is actually caring and kind, and a good dad and a supportive friend.

Yes, this is lovely, but the problem is that it's Fox's fault in the first place. By creating this right-wing propaganda machine and convincing their viewers that they can't trust anybody but them they are the ones who create this divide. That makes it their responsibility to fix it not ours. We're supposed to spend some quality time with a conservative to see they're a good people, but they won't spend any time with a gay person, a Mexican, a woman who's had an abortion...

There are a lot of liberals in this world like me who grew up in small midwestern towns that were very conservative in very conservative families, but most of us at some point when off to school, moved to major cities, and met a lot of different types of people that helped us realize there's nothing wrong with those who are different than them. Most of these rural Trump supporters are people who have never in their lives get out of their comfort zone. They have no idea that their own nephew is gay. They have no idea that their own niece had an abortion. They've never had a conversation with anyone of Arab descent.

They believe that major cities are these evil places with all sorts of crime, murder, and debauchery, but their quaint little country town "isn't heaven, it's Iowa."

It is conservatives who need to get out of their comfort zone and listen to the other side, not the other way around.

it dawned on me that most Fox viewers are probably just like her — decent, curious about the news, intending to learn and do something good with the information.

Nope, sorry, but the election of Donald Trump unequivocally proves that everything liberals have been saying about Republicans for over thirty years now is 100% the truth. If you're intending to learn you are willing to listen to other sides and have your mind changed when you are presented with contradictory information. There is a mountain of contradictory information that demonstrates without a doubt that conservatives are horribly wrong about a great many things, but rather than try and grow and understand they retreat to what they know for comfort and validation.

Scared people retreat to what is familiar for safety. As long as they are familiar with you, and can see you're not an immediate threat they likely will be very nice to you, but intelligence is about understanding that familiar <> good and different <> bad. Conservatives hate you because your different. Liberals are condescending because you can't recognize that what is different isn't bad.

Where I come from if you don't like people treating you like an idiot you try not to do stupid ****. Conservatives need to stop referring to Liberals as snowflakes and realize that being offended by the fact that we're condescending to them is what makes them snowflakes. They need to learn that they don't vote Republican because liberals are condescending, liberals are condescending because they vote Republican, and whether they like it or not we are more than justified in thinking they are idiots.

 

[OlNate]

“I have conservative friends too” = “I have black friends, too”

Gee, I feel better now knowing I’m not a deplorable all the time.

BTW, if you don’t watch Fox News, then how the hell do you know anything about Fox?

lol...wait, you're mad at me because I said you're not all dicks?

 

[Mach]

Even though I know Fox is a joke of station, and a danger to democracy, I still flip on there to see what fresh nonsense they are spewing so I can at least discuss it. Much less start a thread about it.
Here's a gem I caught will flipping over to Hannity a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pHZ6imEseE

35:04

Guest is a former CIA specialist

Hannity: You know Russia well, let me ask you one question while I have you on the show, um..
Hannity: With Hillary's email hacked by so many foreign agencies, we would never know where the emails came from would we?
Guest:...........................ahhhh....
Hannity: Real quick.
Guest: ep, ah, I you know, the Russians were all over those emails I'm sure they....
Hannity: ..Probably were the Chinese and the Iranians and the North Koreans because Hillary's ....
Guest: ....I mean, she's a huge target...
Hannity: We'll pick it up another day I'm just out of time.


Peddling Trump's conspiracy theory nonsense about Hillary's emails STILL.
Loading the questions with conspiracy theory drivel, like a child.
Surprisingly when the former CIA specialist doesn't give him the answer he wanted, OOPS! Out of time.

Some great stuff there Moderate Right, glad you're defending Fox while hiding beyond your impenetrable veil of self-admitted ignorance on what **** Fox broadcasts.

 

[Lutherf]

The left can't read ...

Not true. For the most part they are merely afraid that if they read something other than that which is approved by the Party they will be banished to midwest.

 

[MrWonka]

I mean, Fox news is, in general, is about as tasteful and interesting as an ant eater's ass wipe, but that hardly is a fair generalization of the majority of conservatives

Sorry, but no. Donald Trump's election proves unequivocally that this is, in fact, a fair generalization of the majority of conservatives. If it wasn't he couldn't have won. For years Conservatives have sent up a squeaky clean businessman or a war hero like Bush, Romney, or McCain, and pretended that while there may be some racists pieces of **** within their midst they are not fair representations of the party as a whole.

Trump is what happens when the conservative base freaks out. They saw their squeaky clean McCain and Romney get their buts handed to them by a black guy named Obama twice in a row. They saw it as an indication that they were losing control of "their" country and decided if they were going to go down they wanted to go down telling us how they really feal. They wanted a candidate that truly said what they were all thinking. The disgusting **** that comes out of Trump's mouth on a week to week basis is absolutely representative of the thoughts and beliefs of the majority of conservatives. Sean Hannity is absolutely the spokesperson and most popular pundit the republican party has, and we can absolutely generalize the beliefs of the majority of conservatives.

Trump, Hannity, Ann Coultre, Tomi Lahren... These are flawless representatives of conservatives in this country, and if you don't understand that then you are incredibly naive.

 

[OlNate]

Sorry, but no. Donald Trump's election proves unequivocally that this is, in fact, a fair generalization of the majority of conservatives. If it wasn't he couldn't have won. For years Conservatives have sent up a squeaky clean businessman or a war hero like Bush, Romney, or McCain, and pretended that while there may be some racists pieces of **** within their midst they are not fair representations of the party as a whole.

Trump is what happens when the conservative base freaks out. They saw their squeaky clean McCain and Romney get their buts handed to them by a black guy named Obama twice in a row. They saw it as an indication that they were losing control of "their" country and decided if they were going to go down they wanted to go down telling us how they really feal. They wanted a candidate that truly said what they were all thinking. The disgusting **** that comes out of Trump's mouth on a week to week basis is absolutely representative of the thoughts and beliefs of the majority of conservatives. Sean Hannity is absolutely the spokesperson and most popular pundit the republican party has, and we can absolutely generalize the beliefs of the majority of conservatives.

Trump, Hannity, Ann Coultre, Tomi Lahren... These are flawless representatives of conservatives in this country, and if you don't understand that then you are incredibly naive.

I don't think it's as simple or binary as that, Wonka, so I've gotta disagree with your wild generalizations. I've talked to plenty of conservatives that don't support Trump, either in the never have sense, or as a result of giving him a chance and being disappointed. I can understand why you may not have - you don't exactly leave the door open for that discussion. But my experience has been different than yours, and I don't consider myself all that naïve.

 

[LowDown]

Odd.

For someone that doesn't watch them, you sure do pitch them like you do.

It balances out all of Fox's critics who never watch them.

 

[LowDown]

Sorry, but no. Donald Trump's election proves unequivocally that this is, in fact, a fair generalization of the majority of conservatives. If it wasn't he couldn't have won. For years Conservatives have sent up a squeaky clean businessman or a war hero like Bush, Romney, or McCain, and pretended that while there may be some racists pieces of **** within their midst they are not fair representations of the party as a whole.

Trump is what happens when the conservative base freaks out. They saw their squeaky clean McCain and Romney get their buts handed to them by a black guy named Obama twice in a row. They saw it as an indication that they were losing control of "their" country and decided if they were going to go down they wanted to go down telling us how they really feal. They wanted a candidate that truly said what they were all thinking. The disgusting **** that comes out of Trump's mouth on a week to week basis is absolutely representative of the thoughts and beliefs of the majority of conservatives. Sean Hannity is absolutely the spokesperson and most popular pundit the republican party has, and we can absolutely generalize the beliefs of the majority of conservatives.

Trump, Hannity, Ann Coultre, Tomi Lahren... These are flawless representatives of conservatives in this country, and if you don't understand that then you are incredibly naive.

I want to thank you for your continued efforts to keep Trump's base riled up. We won't be taking advice or opinion from people who hate us, thanks.

 

[OlNate]

The left can't read ...

I guess that's why I saw this and thought "Huh, this is a really insightful, well thought out contribution to this conversation". :roll:

 

[Moderate Right]

Odd.

For someone that doesn't watch them, you sure do pitch them like you do.

Prove that I pitch them. That is the left saying everytime they disagree with me that I love Fox News. This thread is more about the left's attitude in general calling the right all kinds of names, removing any chance of honest discussion on topics and driving the right to the polls. I don't watch Fox News, other than Chris Wallace.

 

[PLizzy]

Prove that I pitch them. That is the left saying everytime they disagree with me that I love Fox News. This thread is more about the left's attitude in general calling the right all kinds of names, removing any chance of honest discussion on topics and driving the right to the polls. I don't watch Fox News, other than Chris Wallace.

Like you guys don't ever get nasty.:roll::lol:

Stop acting like victims, you're not. You get as good as you give, don't complain because you can't bully people without consequence.

 

[chuckiechan]

Even though I know Fox is a joke of station, and a danger to democracy, I still flip on there to see what fresh nonsense they are spewing so I can at least discuss it. Much less start a thread about it.
Here's a gem I caught will flipping over to Hannity a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pHZ6imEseE

35:04

Guest is a former CIA specialist

Hannity: You know Russia well, let me ask you one question while I have you on the show, um..
Hannity: With Hillary's email hacked by so many foreign agencies, we would never know where the emails came from would we?
Guest:...........................ahhhh....
Hannity: Real quick.
Guest: ep, ah, I you know, the Russians were all over those emails I'm sure they....
Hannity: ..Probably were the Chinese and the Iranians and the North Koreans because Hillary's ....
Guest: ....I mean, she's a huge target...
Hannity: We'll pick it up another day I'm just out of time.


Peddling Trump's conspiracy theory nonsense about Hillary's emails STILL.
Loading the questions with conspiracy theory drivel, like a child.
Surprisingly when the former CIA specialist doesn't give him the answer he wanted, OOPS! Out of time.

Some great stuff there Moderate Right, glad you're defending Fox while hiding beyond your impenetrable veil of self-admitted ignorance on what **** Fox broadcasts.

It’s human to not like to have your beliefs challenged. I watch CNN and MSNBC at time. CNN is boring as hell. MSNBC is heavy on snark, light on news.

 

[Moderate Right]

You don't watch Fox, so you're plugging Fox?
How are we gonna debate you about what a joke Fox is, if you haven't watched it and will not be able to debate any side?

From the rambling article:


Which says nothing to Hannity's conspiracy theory peddling, divisive, low-brow entertainment show masquerading as having something to do with political analysis.
So Hannity does ****ty things so he can lead a rich and powerful life and he doesn't beat his kids, and has friends...wow, this means Fox isn't that bad of a network! Just the opposite.

Actually, I wasn't trying to plug Fox. I was wanting lefties to understand that a fellow lefty realizes that not every righty is a deplorable.

 

[Moderate Right]

“I have conservative friends too” = “I have black friends, too”

Gee, I feel better now knowing I’m not a deplorable all the time.

BTW, if you don’t watch Fox News, then how the hell do you know anything about Fox?

I don't know that much about Fox but I don't live in a hole either.

 

[Moderate Right]

Yes, this is lovely, but the problem is that it's Fox's fault in the first place. By creating this right-wing propaganda machine and convincing their viewers that they can't trust anybody but them they are the ones who create this divide. That makes it their responsibility to fix it not ours. We're supposed to spend some quality time with a conservative to see they're a good people, but they won't spend any time with a gay person, a Mexican, a woman who's had an abortion...

There are a lot of liberals in this world like me who grew up in small midwestern towns that were very conservative in very conservative families, but most of us at some point when off to school, moved to major cities, and met a lot of different types of people that helped us realize there's nothing wrong with those who are different than them. Most of these rural Trump supporters are people who have never in their lives get out of their comfort zone. They have no idea that their own nephew is gay. They have no idea that their own niece had an abortion. They've never had a conversation with anyone of Arab descent.

They believe that major cities are these evil places with all sorts of crime, murder, and debauchery, but their quaint little country town "isn't heaven, it's Iowa."

It is conservatives who need to get out of their comfort zone and listen to the other side, not the other way around.


Nope, sorry, but the election of Donald Trump unequivocally proves that everything liberals have been saying about Republicans for over thirty years now is 100% the truth. If you're intending to learn you are willing to listen to other sides and have your mind changed when you are presented with contradictory information. There is a mountain of contradictory information that demonstrates without a doubt that conservatives are horribly wrong about a great many things, but rather than try and grow and understand they retreat to what they know for comfort and validation.

Scared people retreat to what is familiar for safety. As long as they are familiar with you, and can see you're not an immediate threat they likely will be very nice to you, but intelligence is about understanding that familiar <> good and different <> bad. Conservatives hate you because your different. Liberals are condescending because you can't recognize that what is different isn't bad.

Where I come from if you don't like people treating you like an idiot you try not to do stupid ****. Conservatives need to stop referring to Liberals as snowflakes and realize that being offended by the fact that we're condescending to them is what makes them snowflakes. They need to learn that they don't vote Republican because liberals are condescending, liberals are condescending because they vote Republican, and whether they like it or not we are more than justified in thinking they are idiots.

Fox was created to counter the left media propaganda machine.

 

[Mach]

Actually, I wasn't trying to plug Fox. I was wanting lefties to understand that a fellow lefty realizes that not every righty is a deplorable.

I thought you wanted to debate something you had a clue about (why Fox news is a turd). I guess not.
Hiding behind her skirt to throw stones at "lefties", is a fitting place for you to be right now. Who are we gonna debate...she's not here, oh well.

 

[Moderate Right]

Even though I know Fox is a joke of station, and a danger to democracy, I still flip on there to see what fresh nonsense they are spewing so I can at least discuss it. Much less start a thread about it.
Here's a gem I caught will flipping over to Hannity a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pHZ6imEseE

35:04

Guest is a former CIA specialist

Hannity: You know Russia well, let me ask you one question while I have you on the show, um..
Hannity: With Hillary's email hacked by so many foreign agencies, we would never know where the emails came from would we?
Guest:...........................ahhhh....
Hannity: Real quick.
Guest: ep, ah, I you know, the Russians were all over those emails I'm sure they....
Hannity: ..Probably were the Chinese and the Iranians and the North Koreans because Hillary's ....
Guest: ....I mean, she's a huge target...
Hannity: We'll pick it up another day I'm just out of time.


Peddling Trump's conspiracy theory nonsense about Hillary's emails STILL.
Loading the questions with conspiracy theory drivel, like a child.
Surprisingly when the former CIA specialist doesn't give him the answer he wanted, OOPS! Out of time.

Some great stuff there Moderate Right, glad you're defending Fox while hiding beyond your impenetrable veil of self-admitted ignorance on what **** Fox broadcasts.

I actually find it hilarious that more on the left watch Fox News than those on the right. If the left would quit watching Fox News they would go out of business. But, you don't want that because it's like driving slowly past a car accident and gawking. By the way, lefty medias like MSNBC and CNN are just as bad as Fox, just the opposite side of the coin.

 

[Moderate Right]

Sorry, but no. Donald Trump's election proves unequivocally that this is, in fact, a fair generalization of the majority of conservatives. If it wasn't he couldn't have won. For years Conservatives have sent up a squeaky clean businessman or a war hero like Bush, Romney, or McCain, and pretended that while there may be some racists pieces of **** within their midst they are not fair representations of the party as a whole.

Trump is what happens when the conservative base freaks out. They saw their squeaky clean McCain and Romney get their buts handed to them by a black guy named Obama twice in a row. They saw it as an indication that they were losing control of "their" country and decided if they were going to go down they wanted to go down telling us how they really feal. They wanted a candidate that truly said what they were all thinking. The disgusting **** that comes out of Trump's mouth on a week to week basis is absolutely representative of the thoughts and beliefs of the majority of conservatives. Sean Hannity is absolutely the spokesperson and most popular pundit the republican party has, and we can absolutely generalize the beliefs of the majority of conservatives.

Trump, Hannity, Ann Coultre, Tomi Lahren... These are flawless representatives of conservatives in this country, and if you don't understand that then you are incredibly naive.

Is there such a think as an emoji drinking kool aid?

 

[Moderate Right]

I don't think it's as simple or binary as that, Wonka, so I've gotta disagree with your wild generalizations. I've talked to plenty of conservatives that don't support Trump, either in the never have sense, or as a result of giving him a chance and being disappointed. I can understand why you may not have - you don't exactly leave the door open for that discussion. But my experience has been different than yours, and I don't consider myself all that naïve.

That's actually what this thread is about - the unfair characterization the left does on the right.