Revoke My Clearance Too

[bearpoker]

William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, was commander of the U.S. Joint Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014. He oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Dear Mr. President:

Former CIA director John Brennan, whose security clearance you revoked on Wednesday, is one of the finest public servants I have ever known. Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John. He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don’t know him.

Therefore, I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4d1703d2a7a_story.html?utm_term=.7e4fe0a48440

Ouch!!

 

[Captain Adverse]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4d1703d2a7a_story.html?utm_term=.7e4fe0a48440

Ouch!!

Well, challenge should be accepted. :shrug:

I've already said that IMO people who have left government service no longer need government security clearances, and they should be revoked. If the Admiral is recalled to active duty, his clearance can be restored.

 

[Linc]

Well, challenge should be accepted. :shrug:

I've already said that IMO people who have left government service no longer need government security clearances, and they should be revoked. If the Admiral is recalled to active duty, his clearance can be restored.

GOPutins are now against the Admiral who led the Bin Laden raid.

 

[Exactice]

Well, challenge should be accepted. :shrug:

I've already said that IMO people who have left government service no longer need government security clearances, and they should be revoked. If the Admiral is recalled to active duty, his clearance can be restored.

Yups..... you in the job, its relevant to your job, then you are justified. I think his title say....oh right "RETIRED" so um is his clearance relevant, Also if he gets hired as a contractor he can always get a temporary access or someone can approve his access to a SCIF if he needs it but from the sound of it his successor are doing just fine.


What the big deal. Brennan and Clapper dont need a TS clearance to bad mouth Trump..... Crybabies....

 

[Captain Adverse]

GOPutins are now against the Admiral who led the Bin Laden raid.

An ad hominin and an appeal to emotion all in one sentence. Congratulations. :roll:

I am against retention of security clearances for anyone no longer holding a job that needs one.

 

[Exactice]

GOPutins are now against the Admiral who led the Bin Laden raid.

I am Not against the Admiral for his accolades but if he is volunteering to have his clearance removed so be it... does he really need it anyways? I though retired people like to cut grass sit on a lawn chair with an ice tea in hand.....

 

[LincolnRossiter]

Well, challenge should be accepted. :shrug:

I've already said that IMO people who have left government service no longer need government security clearances, and they should be revoked. If the Admiral is recalled to active duty, his clearance can be restored.

Retired/former senior officers and other officials provide decades of expertise in an advisory role. Current officeholders rely upon their predecessors for advice. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[bearpoker]

To every respondent except Linc:
Way to ignore the point, gentleman! Do you always scurry under cover when a challenge is issued?
ETA: Also except Lincoln.

 

[Exactice]

Retired/former senior officers and other officials provide decades of expertise in an advisory role. Current officeholders rely upon their predecessors for advice. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

If its relevant..... I highlighted Brennan, His successor was Pompeo and now he passed the torch to Haspel. So is Brennan ACTUALLY doing advisory roles? If he is not he is not needed to maintain.

Gen McRaven, is he providing advisory roles as WELL as his adivsory roles are they required to MAINTAIN a TS clearance to sit in a breifing or a SCIF.


So we dont know the WHOLE situation, but retired is retired is retired.........

 

[bearpoker]

I am Not against the Admiral for his accolades but if he is volunteering to have his clearance removed so be it... does he really need it anyways? I though retired people like to cut grass sit on a lawn chair with an ice tea in hand.....

Even retirees in their lawn chairs with ice tea, or long island iced tea, get riled when respected patriots are denigrated by an asshole.

 

[Linc]

I am against GOPutins selling out our Nation.

An ad hominin and an appeal to emotion all in one sentence. Congratulations. :roll:

I am against retention of security clearances for anyone no longer holding a job that needs one.

 

[Exactice]

Even retirees in their lawn chairs with ice tea, or long island iced tea, get riled when respected patriots are denigrated by an asshole.

FAIR enough I can agree.... But is their TS relevant. McRaven was not hired as a MSNBC contributor. He has maintained his professional courtesy up to this point to respect the office of the POTUS.

Brennan on the other hand has been making some pretty open public statements, one of which was treason.... he has brought this heat and attention.

MrRaven up to this point has not... so if hes giving it up... good on him.... Thank you for your service enjoy your retirement and ice tea .

 

[poweRob]

Retired/former senior officers and other officials provide decades of expertise in an advisory role. Current officeholders rely upon their predecessors for advice. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

Trump doesn't need him. Remember now, he knows more than the generals. Even before he himself had a clearance.

 

[Exactice]

I am against GOPutins selling out our Nation.

You mean being a hired MSNBC contributor and then tweet that Trump is committing treason... talk about sell out....



Super Spooks LOL
https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...claper-michael-hayden-former-cia-media-216943

Sell outs? Or just because they are against trump

 

[Linc]

Even retirees in their lawn chairs with ice tea, or long island iced tea, get riled when respected patriots are denigrated by an asshole.

Let them keep attacking Admiral McRaven, who led the Raid on Bin Laden.

Let these ‘patriots’ continue to be lapdogs for Putin.

Let these GOPutins defend the most Disgraceful and Dishonorable ‘person’ this Nation has ever and will ever know.

 

[bearpoker]

FAIR enough I can agree.... But is their TS relevant. McRaven was not hired as a MSNBC contributor. He has maintained his professional courtesy up to this point to respect the office of the POTUS.

Brennan on the other hand has been making some pretty open public statements, one of which was treason.... he has brought this heat and attention.

MrRaven up to this point has not... so if hes giving it up... good on him.... Thank you for your service enjoy your retirement and ice tea .

Of course it doesn't bother you at all that the PoS in the White House attacks and denigrates men and women better than himself, even when another man of unimpeachable service and reputation call him out for it. You can just say, "but he's retired". You're really determined to miss the point.

 

[Exactice]

Let them keep attacking Admiral McRaven, who led the Raid on Bin Laden.

Let these ‘patriots’ continue to be lapdogs for Putin.

Let these GOPutins defend the most Disgraceful and Dishonorable ‘person’ this Nation has ever and will ever know.

Who is Attacking the Admiral, Im not, Im agreeing if he wants to give up his clearance so be it. In no way am I discrediting him just like General Flynn, he lied to an agent about his meeting with Kysliak , yet nothing criminal so this does not discredit for his duty to America that he has done to obtain the Rank of Lt General.

 

[Howard the Duck]

Let them keep attacking Admiral McRaven, who led the Raid on Bin Laden.

Let these ‘patriots’ continue to be lapdogs for Putin.

Let these GOPutins defend the most Disgraceful and Dishonorable ‘person’ this Nation has ever and will ever know.

Trump will go down as the single most pathetic figure in American history, more so than even Benedict Arnold or Jefferson Davis.

 

[danarhea]

Retired/former senior officers and other officials provide decades of expertise in an advisory role. Current officeholders rely upon their predecessors for advice. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

I was about to respond with this, but you beat me to it. Those who have held the job in the past have quite a lot of wisdom to pass on to those who take over. To get pissy and revoke security clearance, just because someone criticizes a president's leadership, or in this case, lack of it, makes America just a little less safe. This once again demonstrates that, for this president, it's only about him, and America can go to hell for all he cares.

 

[bearpoker]

You mean being a hired MSNBC contributor and then tweet that Trump is committing treason... talk about sell out....



Super Spooks LOL
https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...claper-michael-hayden-former-cia-media-216943

Sell outs? Or just because they are against trump

That's the spirit. That's the response I knew would come. Go ahead and accuse a man of years of faithful service to his country of selling out because he can't stand the PoS that's now in the White House.

 

[Exactice]

Of course it doesn't bother you at all that the PoS in the White House attacks and denigrates men and women better than himself, even when another man of unimpeachable service and reputation call him out for it. You can just say, "but he's retired". You're really determined to miss the point.

Lets take step back and take your Trump hate for a moment out.

What point? Maintaining is a Professional Courtesy. NOT a law, a statute or any other Constitutional Reason. PERIOD.

More so obtaining and maintaining a higher than Top Secret level clearance is extraordinary. MORE so specific to a specified JOB that is being performed. When they have left and retired from their position why is the need to maintain a Top level Security clearance. I understand your point IF they are on as an Adviser, If they are hired as a contractor in that capacity. THAT is relevant to a JOB.

But it does NOT seem like they are in a position of relevance to maintain the clearance.

Again TAKING trump out of it. Brennan is NOW Hired to be a MSNBC news contributor. In what ways is that Neccisary to maintain his clearance. Even a blind fool can see thats likely NOT a good mix to have a high level individual being paid by a news organization and allowing them to maintain access to some of the highest levels of security?


You can Hate trump all you want.... But again the security of our nation is more important than Trump or Brennan. With respect to McRaven hes retired and can say whatever he wants now its his 1st Amendment. but if his Clearance is NOT releveant to anything and I bet he is laughing cause he hasnt stepped foot into a SCIF since....so he doesnt likely care anyways.

 

[Exactice]

That's the spirit. That's the response I knew would come. Go ahead and accuse a man of years of faithful service to his country of selling out because he can't stand the PoS that's now in the White House.

You insinuate the same on Trump, you gotta take what you give.

Is THIS NOT a perfect example of selling out??????

 

[Xelor]

Few retired people have any need for a security clearance; thus revoking their clearance is like spaying a pet. Something's gone, but it's of no great matter and, frankly, easier for the cat and everyone else.

After all, the talking about the potentiality of revoking the clearance carried more leverage than does having revoked it, and revoking the clearance hinders current Administration employees, not retired former ones. What does Trump think the revocation was going to do? Wipe the former officials' memories and sever their ability to continue remarking on Trump's silliness?

 

[JMR]

An ad hominin and an appeal to emotion all in one sentence. Congratulations. :roll:

I am against retention of security clearances for anyone no longer holding a job that needs one.

Are you also against people holding jobs that need one, yet do not have one? It would seem logical.

I find it interesting how easily long serving people of the highest ranks in government are dismissed as not having any viable information or insight into the nation's affairs, and yet the rag tag team put together by Trump (with some overrides by Putin) is seen as capable of divining this information from their considerable hubris.

I really find no ethical or logical basis for defending Trump's actions here, other than muscle memory.

 

[SMTA]

Lets take step back and take your Trump hate for a moment out.

What point? Maintaining is a Professional Courtesy. NOT a law, a statue or any other Constitutional Reason. PERIOD.

More so obtaining and maintaining a higher than Top Secret level clearance is extraordinary. MORE so specific to a specified JOB that is being performed. When they have left and retired from their position why is the need to maintain a Top level Security clearance. I understand your point IF they are on as an Adviser, If they are hired as a contractor in that capacity. THAT is relevant to a JOB.

But it does NOT seem like they are in a position of relevance to maintain the clearance.

Again TAKING trump out of it. Brennan is NOW Hired to be a MSNBC news contributor. In what ways is that Neccisary to maintain his clearance. Even a blind fool can see thats likely NOT a good mix to have a high level individual being paid by a news organization and allowing them to maintain access to some of the highest levels of security?


You can Hate trump all you want.... But again the security of our nation is more important than Trump or Brennan. With respect to McRaven hes retired and can say whatever he wants now its his 1st Amendment. but if his Clearance is NOT releveant to anything and I bet he is laughing cause he hasnt stepped foot into a SCIF since....so he doesnt likely care anyways.

It's Statute, not statue.
Necessary is the correct spelling.