Pervnado - Harvey Weinstein, Louis C.K., Roy Moore....Who's Next? And Why?

[JBG]

Harvey Weinstein, Louis C.K., Roy Moore, Steven Seagal, Brett Ratner, Kevin Spacey (link to article), the beat goes on. Before that there was Bill Cosby and Rolf Harris. My take on these allegations is a little different. Everyone knew that these people in Hollywood or for that matter on Capitol Hill were no saints. Back in 1974 we thrilled to Wilbur Mills and Fanne Fox | The Big Picture | Arkansas news.

Any adult with an ounce of sense knows never to be alone with strangers. Meetings should be in public places and/or with other people present. Suddenly we're hearing all kinds of allegations of "abuse," some dating back to the year of Reagan's inauguration. One wonders whether people suddenly feel a sense of grievance about ancient events. Or perhaps some of it is greed; or to get their "five minutes of fame."

I do not condone pedophilia. Thus Hastert et. al. are different. All that I am asking is how real this abuse really was. Did people at the time relish their moment in the sun with very wealthy and famous people and come to regret it? I don't think these kinds of events are new.

 

[ecofarm]

I'm guessing you reduced the minutes to make a point but no. Don't do that, you're no Warhol.

 

[Oborosen]

Harvey Weinstein, Louis C.K., Roy Moore, Steven Seagal, Brett Ratner, Kevin Spacey (link to article), the beat goes on. Before that there was Bill Cosby and Rolf Harris. My take on these allegations is a little different. Everyone knew that these people in Hollywood or for that matter on Capitol Hill were no saints. Back in 1974 we thrilled to Wilbur Mills and Fanne Fox | The Big Picture | Arkansas news.

Any adult with an ounce of sense knows never to be alone with strangers. Meetings should be in public places and/or with other people present. Suddenly we're hearing all kinds of allegations of "abuse," some dating back to the year of Reagan's inauguration. One wonders whether people suddenly feel a sense of grievance about ancient events. Or perhaps some of it is greed; or to get their "five minutes of fame."

I do not condone pedophilia. Thus Hastert et. al. are different. All that I am asking is how real this abuse really was. Did people at the time relish their moment in the sun with very wealthy and famous people and come to regret it? I don't think these kinds of events are new.

Greed, Grievance, Fame.

I would lop all of those in together for nearly every one.

This #Me2 crap is starting to really irk me.

 

[eohrnberger]

Seems that Hollyweird has a long history of the casting couch, and that history is now catching up with it.

I'm ambivalent.

While I'm tired of the these celebutards preaching from their supposed and delusional moral superiority position down to the perceived unwashed masses of normal people, some of which take those who live and work in the land of make believe seriously on serious topics, I most certainly do not. I mean, have you ever heard these people talk without a script? Its laughable!

On the other hand, I dislike seeing people, their lives, livelihoods are destroyed for claims that may very well be fabricated, or perhaps not fabricated, who's to know.

If people, their lives, livelihoods are destroyed, we had better make sure that those claims are legitimate, before those lives and livelihoods are destroyed, as this would be an injustice, to be destroyed for something that you didn't do.

 

[lurchadams]

Harvey Weinstein, Louis C.K., Roy Moore, Steven Seagal, Brett Ratner, Kevin Spacey (link to article), the beat goes on. Before that there was Bill Cosby and Rolf Harris. My take on these allegations is a little different. Everyone knew that these people in Hollywood or for that matter on Capitol Hill were no saints. Back in 1974 we thrilled to Wilbur Mills and Fanne Fox | The Big Picture | Arkansas news.

Any adult with an ounce of sense knows never to be alone with strangers. Meetings should be in public places and/or with other people present. Suddenly we're hearing all kinds of allegations of "abuse," some dating back to the year of Reagan's inauguration. One wonders whether people suddenly feel a sense of grievance about ancient events. Or perhaps some of it is greed; or to get their "five minutes of fame."

I do not condone pedophilia. Thus Hastert et. al. are different. All that I am asking is how real this abuse really was. Did people at the time relish their moment in the sun with very wealthy and famous people and come to regret it? I don't think these kinds of events are new.

Sure. Blame the victims. Well done.

 

[Superfly]

This #Me2 crap is starting to really irk me.

How dare these women be out there, standing up for being sexually assaulted. How dare they! They should be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

Some of the **** you read on this forum.

 

[Superfly]

Harvey Weinstein, Louis C.K., Roy Moore, Steven Seagal, Brett Ratner, Kevin Spacey (link to article), the beat goes on. Before that there was Bill Cosby and Rolf Harris. My take on these allegations is a little different. Everyone knew that these people in Hollywood or for that matter on Capitol Hill were no saints. Back in 1974 we thrilled to Wilbur Mills and Fanne Fox | The Big Picture | Arkansas news.

Any adult with an ounce of sense knows never to be alone with strangers. Meetings should be in public places and/or with other people present. Suddenly we're hearing all kinds of allegations of "abuse," some dating back to the year of Reagan's inauguration. One wonders whether people suddenly feel a sense of grievance about ancient events. Or perhaps some of it is greed; or to get their "five minutes of fame."

I do not condone pedophilia. Thus Hastert et. al. are different. All that I am asking is how real this abuse really was. Did people at the time relish their moment in the sun with very wealthy and famous people and come to regret it? I don't think these kinds of events are new.

Not sure if you will bother to read this, because most don't. But either way - here you go.

https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf

 

[Oborosen]

How dare these women be out there, standing up for being sexually assaulted. How dare they! They should be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

Some of the **** you read on this forum.

Your hyperbole is not appreciated, and seeing as I come from a home with a mother working 2 to 3 jobs to raise her three children. I find such an idiotic statement more than a little disappointing. Even if it was meant in a sarcastic matter, because we both know that this country hasn't worked like that, nor postulated itself as such for a very long time now.

Even in the bend of the late 50s the term working wife, was becoming more common by the day.

So I would invite you to actually attempt an intellectual response whenever possible.
Because even though the #Me2 campaign may have been started under a noteworthy, and actually well meant premises. The people who decided to just dogpile accusations onto someone "without proof" and just let the weight of the public come down on the target instead. Is by all exceptions, one of the worst forms of cancer that can form on such a social platform.

 

[JBG]

I'm guessing you reduced the minutes to make a point but no. Don't do that, you're no Warhol.

Could you take a few minutes to write a more coherent post?

 

[JBG]

Not sure if you will bother to read this, because most don't. But either way - here you go.

https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf

I read that pamphlet. Mostly it's "captain obvious." What it doesn't explain is why the burst in reporting incidents from the 1990's and in some cases the 1980's. How is someone expected to defend themselves from accusations dating back 30 or more years?

 

[ecofarm]

Could you take a few minutes to write a more coherent post?

Okay, you weren't making a point. It's 15 minutes, not 5. Andy Warhol coined the phrase. You're no Andy Warhol, you're not coining any phrases. 15.

 

[JBG]

Okay, you weren't making a point. It's 15 minutes, not 5. Andy Warhol coined the phrase. You're no Andy Warhol, you're not coining any phrases. 15.

That's still gibberish.

 

[ecofarm]

That's still gibberish.

Good lord. You really haven't a clue, do you?

Or perhaps some of it is greed; or to get their "five minutes of fame."

Did you write the OP or is it a copy/paste? How could you have not known what I was referring to? You put the phrase in quotes.

 

[Superfly]

Your hyperbole is not appreciated, and seeing as I come from a home with a mother working 2 to 3 jobs to raise her three children. I find such an idiotic statement more than a little disappointing. Even if it was meant in a sarcastic matter, because we both know that this country hasn't worked like that, nor postulated itself as such for a very long time now.

Even in the bend of the late 50s the term working wife, was becoming more common by the day.

So I would invite you to actually attempt an intellectual response whenever possible.
Because even though the #Me2 campaign may have been started under a noteworthy, and actually well meant premises. The people who decided to just dogpile accusations onto someone "without proof" and just let the weight of the public come down on the target instead. Is by all exceptions, one of the worst forms of cancer that can form on such a social platform.

Unless you are a woman (or a man) who has been sexually abused, and then it's the BEST kind of thing that can happen.

And what the hell kind of proof do you want? Pictures? Video? A signed, sworn confession from the rapist?

And you'll excuse me if I don't become too incensed over your shade thrown towards me. I can promise that I will lose no sleep over you thinking my posts are idiotic. The feeling is very, very mutual.

The #MeToo campaign had 17,000 retweets in the 24 hours, and my last count, a couple of weeks ago, it was up to 500,000 tweets.

But instead of being angry over 500,000 women who were sexually assaulted, you are angry because they actually talked about it, and let people know that it happened to them.

Amazing.

 

[Superfly]

I read that pamphlet. Mostly it's "captain obvious." What it doesn't explain is why the burst in reporting incidents from the 1990's and in some cases the 1980's. How is someone expected to defend themselves from accusations dating back 30 or more years?

People wait to come forward because others coming forward gives them the strength to do it. When people are sexually assaulted, often by more powerful people, they are afraid to come forward because no one will believe them, or they will be blamed, or said that they asked for it, or a thousand other excuses. When others start coming forward, it gives them the strength to come forward.

Floods all start with a single drop of rain. /shrug/

I mean, look at what is happening with this girl and Roy Moore. She was 14 years old, and she has people victim shaming her on national TV, and blaming her mother for being a bad parent.

What did Donald Trump say when all those women came forward? Of one, he even said, "Look at her. I don't think so."

It's no wonder why people don't come forward.

 

[Oborosen]

Unless you are a woman (or a man) who has been sexually abused, and then it's the BEST kind of thing that can happen.

And what the hell kind of proof do you want? Pictures? Video? A signed, sworn confession from the rapist?

And you'll excuse me if I don't become too incensed over your shade thrown towards me. I can promise that I will lose no sleep over you thinking my posts are idiotic. The feeling is very, very mutual.

The #MeToo campaign had 17,000 retweets in the 24 hours, and my last count, a couple of weeks ago, it was up to 500,000 tweets.

But instead of being angry over 500,000 women who were sexually assaulted, you are angry because they actually talked about it, and let people know that it happened to them.

Amazing.

Alright then, lets take this into account.

Lets take into the account that this is the internet that we are talking bout. Not to mention that this is Twitter, one of the most salted, hate filled, vile holes on the table of what a social community can be.

Then we take into account that we have the human condition. Which means that anyone, and everyone possesses the capacity to lie, cheat, and steal for either self preservation, or self interest.

A study done by the University of Massachusetts, shows that 60% of adults can't go 10 minutes without lying once.
60% of People Can't Go 10 Minutes Without Lying | Mental Floss

So lets bump that down to 50% for safeties sake, and postulate on a what if scenario that half "250k" of these post were flat out lies. For whatever reason there may be for someone to lie about such a thing. Either sympathy from someone, or a group of people. To actually using a platform to get back at someone that they felt scorned by. The possibilities for this simple act are nearly endless.

Your post, postulates that every single one of these people who posted under the Me2 hash tag, did so honestly, despite how much knowledge of just how **** the rest of the human race can act.

That is why I called it idiotic, and frankly you should see that as plane as day.

There is a reason such a movement is sometimes referred to as "Viral".

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Seems that Hollyweird has a long history of the casting couch, and that history is now catching up with it.

I'm ambivalent.

No, it seems to anyone bothering to pay attention, that any industry, profession or position of power has a long history of that.

It's not ambivalence; it's inattention.

While I'm tired of the these celebutards preaching from their supposed and delusional moral superiority position down to the perceived unwashed masses of normal people, some of which take those who live and work in the land of make believe seriously on serious topics, I most certainly do not. I mean, have you ever heard these people talk without a script? Its laughable!

So you're tired of something that only exists in your imagination. I find that odd.

On the other hand, I dislike seeing people, their lives, livelihoods are destroyed for claims that may very well be fabricated, or perhaps not fabricated, who's to know.

If people, their lives, livelihoods are destroyed, we had better make sure that those claims are legitimate, before those lives and livelihoods are destroyed, as this would be an injustice, to be destroyed for something that you didn't do.

Please detail who these people are with a list of them.

Thanks in advance!

 

[ecofarm]

Alright then, lets take this into account.

Lets take into the account that this is the internet that we are talking bout. Not to mention that this is Twitter, one of the most salted, hate filled, vile holes on the table of what a social community can be.

Then we take into account that we have the human condition. Which means that anyone, and everyone possesses the capacity to lie, cheat, and steal for either self preservation, or self interest.



So lets bump that down to 50% for safeties sake, and postulate on a what if scenario that half "250k" of these post were flat out lies. For whatever reason there may be for someone to lie about such a thing. Either sympathy from someone, or a group of people. To actually using a platform to get back at someone that they felt scorned by. The possibilities for this simple act are nearly endless.

Your post, postulates that every single one of these people who posted under the Me2 hash tag, did so honestly, despite how much knowledge of just how **** the rest of the human race can act.

That is why I called it idiotic, and frankly you should see that as plane as day.

There is a reason such a movement is sometimes referred to as "Viral".

Scumbagery.

 

[Oborosen]

Scumbagery.

Can you show the rest of the class how you came to such an answer.

 

[ecofarm]

Can you show the rest of the class how you came to such an answer.

No need. Only you don't get it and I don't care.

 

[Oborosen]

No need. Only you don't get it and I don't care.

Then I invite you to take this alleged trolling somewhere else.

 

[Oborosen]

That's still gibberish.

Welcome to the incoherency that is Ecofarm.. I hope you brought your luggage, your going for a ride.

 

[ecofarm]

Then I invite you to take this alleged trolling somewhere else.

And I invite you to stop playing mod like a little crybaby.

 

[ecofarm]

Welcome to the incoherency that is Ecofarm.. I hope you brought your luggage, your going for a ride.

That's idiotic. I was correct and clear. There's no explaining why the OP was unable to recall a phrase he put in quotes, except copy/paste. So, is the OP incapable of remembering the phrase he put in quotes minutes ago, or is it copy/paste? You decide.

 

[Oborosen]

That's idiotic. I was correct and clear. There's no explaining why the OP was unable to recall a phrase he put in quotes, except copy/paste. So, is the OP incapable of remembering the phrase he put in quotes minutes ago, or is it copy/paste? You decide.

Simple, its what he decided to put down at the time. You are just pulling out a quote that is relevant, despite the issue that it may be a typo or not, and forgetting that people have a tendency to make mistakes.