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Ocasio-Cortez calls question about how to pay for Medicare for all ‘puzzling’

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In an interview with Jorge Ramos last week, Ocasio-Cortez was asked how she would pay for the multi-billion dollar health care plan promoted by liberal lawmakers like Sens. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Kamala Harris, D-Calif. Ramos noted critics say the the program would be "more expensive" than the current system, to which she answered that people would "just pay for it."
“People often say, like, how are you going to pay for it and I find the question so puzzling because ‘How do you pay for something that’s more affordable? How do you pay for cheaper rent?’ You just pay for it,” she said. “We’re paying more now.”
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However, as noted in the article, even doubling income and corporate taxes wouldn't "just pay for it".

This is your democrat party, when you vote today, you vote Blue, this is who you're voting for, "politicians" without a ****ing clue.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oc...bout-how-to-pay-for-medicare-for-all-puzzling
 
Every other UHC country on earth, literally dozens of countries, manage to have a healthcare system where every man, woman and child in the country has full, high quality coverage at less than HALF THE COST per capita of what we pay. Stop pretending that UHC costs more, we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world yet are nowhere near the top in healthcare outcomes or life expectancy and are near dead last among first world countries for percentage covered. Your distraction is rejected.
 
Renae said:
However, as noted in the article, even doubling income and corporate taxes wouldn't "just pay for it".
This is your democrat party, when you vote today, you vote Blue, this is who you're voting for, "politicians" without a ****ing clue.
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You misunderstand Ocasio-Cortez's presentation. Though Fox News is doing it's best to obfusticate.
Medicare-For-All would command additional taxpayer dollars, but it would be recouping the dollars that are currently spent privately.

In that, Ocasio-Cortez would be presenting the question to the voter/taxpayer: "Do you prefer to pay $10,000 for a surgery to the hospital; or $8,000 to Medicare for the same surgery?"
... and arguing for the latter.

Now some people would say "yes" and some people would say "no," but what Ocasio-Cortez is not say is that she doesn't have a clue where the money will come from.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Every other UHC country on earth, literally dozens of countries, manage to have a healthcare system where every man, woman and child in the country has full, high quality coverage at less than HALF THE COST per capita of what we pay. Stop pretending that UHC costs more, we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world yet are nowhere near the top in healthcare outcomes or life expectancy and are near dead last among first world countries for percentage covered. Your distraction is rejected.
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While there are many reasons why healthcare cost in America is high...

Start looking at the fact we pay our doctors 3 times more, and medical school education is 6 times more... than Europe.

Have to make the universities ditch all their admin positions and have them run by strictly professors again(something they do not want to do).... and pay our doctors 3 times less(they won't like that, and it will probably cause a shortage in doctors).

We also would have to decrease the service's and the amount of nurses hospitals have.

ALSO have to decrease the wages of lawyers, and medical malpractice insurance... because people have been able to borderline bankrupt hospitals on lawsuits. This opens the whole can of worms on how are legal structure is and the amount of regulations that is making the legal structure extremely expensive(Something the fat democrat law firms don't want to give up)

America's Healthcare is the most expensive, but it is the best healthcare. We have the best medical technology and doctors by far.... even though not everyone gets access to the best of course..... because it's expensive.

I hope you understand.... It is not so simple as let's "Just make Universal healthcare', and it isn't expensive BECAUSE it's private. It's actually expensive because of government subsidized medical education, Lawyer lobbyists, a regulation bloat that increased the amount of required positions for administration.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
How are we paying for the thousands of troops being sent to the border to protect us against the caravan that 800 miles away????
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Puzzling, eh? Who’s paying for all the JP-4 Trump has been sucking up?
 
celticwar17 said:
While there are many reasons why healthcare cost in America is high...

Start looking at the fact we pay our doctors 3 times more, and medical school education is 6 times more... than Europe.

Have to make the universities ditch all their admin positions and have them run by strictly professors again(something they do not want to do).... and pay our doctors 3 times less(they won't like that, and it will probably cause a shortage in doctors).

We also would have to decrease the service's and the amount of nurses hospitals have.

ALSO have to decrease the wages of lawyers, and medical malpractice insurance... because people have been able to borderline bankrupt hospitals on lawsuits. This opens the whole can of worms on how are legal structure is and the amount of regulations that is making the legal structure extremely expensive(Something the fat democrat law firms don't want to give up)

America's Healthcare is the most expensive, but it is the best healthcare. We have the best medical technology and doctors by far.... even though not everyone gets access to the best of course..... because it's expensive.

I hope you understand.... It is not so simple as let's "Just make Universal healthcare'
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We have a plethora of problems, but there's only one side of the aisle that even wants to attempt to fix the problems. There has never in history been an effective healthcare system governed by "the invisible hand of the free market". It's fantasy nonsense. The rest of the world could triple or quadruple what they pay doctors and it still wouldn't double their cost of healthcare. Our issue is not what we pay doctors!

No, we do not have the best healthcare in the world. If it's inadequate at serving most of the population, it isn't good. If we had a single machine that could cure all diseases, but it could only be used once a day, we can't claim that our technology gives us "the best" healthcare system, as it's completely inadequate for our needs. We don't win in quality of care, access to medical facilities, efficiency, participation, or life expectancy. Please do not try to excuse our failures and recognize that we have a serious problem.

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World
 
brothern said:
You misunderstand Ocasio-Cortez's presentation. Though Fox News is doing it's best to obfusticate.
Medicare-For-All would command additional taxpayer dollars, but it would be recouping the dollars that are currently spent privately.

In that, Ocasio-Cortez would be presenting the question to the voter/taxpayer: "Do you prefer to pay $10,000 for a surgery to the hospital; or $8,000 to Medicare for the same surgery?"
... and arguing for the latter.

Now some people would say "yes" and some people would say "no," but what Ocasio-Cortez is not say is that she doesn't have a clue where the money will come from.
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‘People will just pay it’ isnt an answer to the question. What people? How? It doesn’t surprise me that Ocasio-Cortez can’t answer that question since she struggles with even basic economics. But people like Sanders know the real answer - you’d have to do something like raise the Medicare tax to 30%. Problem is they’ll never say that because they’re banking on support from people who believe it will always be someone else footing the bill.
 
Napoleon said:
‘People will just pay it’ isnt an answer to the question. What people? How? It doesn’t surprise me that Ocasio-Cortez can’t answer that question since she struggles with even basic economics. But people like Sanders know the real answer - you’d have to do something like raise the Medicare tax to 30%. Problem is they’ll never say that because they’re banking on support from people who believe it will always be someone else footing the bill.
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Every other country on earth, including the dozens with UHC, pay dramatically less per capita for healthcare than we do. Stop pretending it costs more, it doesn't.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Every other country on earth, including the dozens with UHC, pay dramatically less per capita for healthcare than we do. Stop pretending it costs more, it doesn't.
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The amount of deflection around this is just a manifestation of dishonesty. Other nations do have UHC and they pay for it with huge tax rates for everyone. That is also what will be required here so why are it’s supporters so afraid of and loathe to disclosing that? And here’s the other thing - the 30% Medicare tax that would be required to pay for it IS more expensive for many individuals than the current system. You can’t deflect to overall expense when it’s paid by the individual and 30% of my income is far more than I pay now.
 
Republicans love complaining about spending a moderate amount on Medicare for all as if it's communism and then giving way more of their pay to private insurance companies and healthcare providers. It's a great example of how they have no capabilities for common sense or understanding very simple logical thoughts.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Every other country on earth, including the dozens with UHC, pay dramatically less per capita for healthcare than we do. Stop pretending it costs more, it doesn't.
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That's if you don't count taxes payed toward those systems.

That every European and Canadian who can comes to the US or private clinics in other places for all their healthcare needs destroys your entire argument.
 
Casca XV said:
That's if you don't count taxes payed toward those systems.

That every European and Canadian who can comes to the US or private clinics in other places for all their healthcare needs destroys your entire argument.
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The fact that you would resort to completely made up lies like the bolded above destroys your entire argument.
 
brothern said:
You misunderstand Ocasio-Cortez's presentation. Though Fox News is doing it's best to obfusticate.
Medicare-For-All would command additional taxpayer dollars, but it would be recouping the dollars that are currently spent privately.

In that, Ocasio-Cortez would be presenting the question to the voter/taxpayer: "Do you prefer to pay $10,000 for a surgery to the hospital; or $8,000 to Medicare for the same surgery?"
... and arguing for the latter.

Now some people would say "yes" and some people would say "no," but what Ocasio-Cortez is not say is that she doesn't have a clue where the money will come from.
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You forgot to add in the up to two year wait, suffering and the cost that has, but hey your "medical" care is "free".
 
RabidAlpaca said:
We have a plethora of problems, but there's only one side of the aisle that even wants to attempt to fix the problems. There has never in history been an effective healthcare system governed by "the invisible hand of the free market". It's fantasy nonsense. The rest of the world could triple or quadruple what they pay doctors and it still wouldn't double their cost of healthcare. Our issue is not what we pay doctors!

No, we do not have the best healthcare in the world. If it's inadequate at serving most of the population, it isn't good. If we had a single machine that could cure all diseases, but it could only be used once a day, we can't claim that our technology gives us "the best" healthcare system, as it's completely inadequate for our needs. We don't win in quality of care, access to medical facilities, efficiency, participation, or life expectancy. Please do not try to excuse our failures and recognize that we have a serious problem.

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World
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I find those ranking systems incredibly biased.

Every healthcare system has problems. The biggest problem with the US's is that it's expensive.

And I disagree that there has never been in history... Actually America in the early 1900s had really good healthcare, that was incredibly cheap. When I say really good, I mean good as in a product of it's time... it obviously lack some knowledge and technology.


Forever ago I found a really good article that I have yet to find since, but it was a primary source of a newspaper in the early 1900s about a doctor complaining about the incoming regulations. He foresaw doctors collaborating to make healthcare more expensive and require more and more licenses no matter the degree of severity of condition your patients are having. It was an awesome article, and it showed how the healthcare system in America evolved over time to be more expensive.

And Democrats are playing with fire, they may be the only ones wanting to address the problem nationally.... but they are addressing it the worst way possible when we already have a huge debt crisis.

I say, let the states make their own healthcare systems.... Why not have a state have universal healthcare.... Let California be the first to be the example! I don't see why this is not a better solution, instead of forcing the entire American public to have something they may not want.

Having states manage their own healthcare systems is the best of all worlds. And they can be much more specialized to the particular state's needs.
 
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Casca XV said:
That's if you don't count taxes payed toward those systems.
That every European and Canadian who can comes to the US or private clinics in other places for all their healthcare needs destroys your entire argument.
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Napoleon said:
The amount of deflection around this is just a manifestation of dishonesty. Other nations do have UHC and they pay for it with huge tax rates for everyone. That is also what will be required here so why are it’s supporters so afraid of and loathe to disclosing that? And here’s the other thing - the 30% Medicare tax that would be required to pay for it IS more expensive for many individuals than the current system. You can’t deflect to overall expense when it’s paid by the individual and 30% of my income is far more than I pay now.
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No they do not. They pay LESS THAN HALF per capita what we pay, there is no secret tax that makes up the difference, that is all included. It's like your so wildly uninformed about the facts that you just make up things.

So buck up you two and show direct evidence of secret taxes to fund healthcare that prove that everyone else's healthcare is actually more expensive. You can't because it isn't.
 
celticwar17 said:
I find those ranking systems incredibly biased.
Every healthcare system has problems. The biggest problem with the US's is that it's expensive.
And I disagree that there has never been in history... Actually America in the early 1900s had really good healthcare, that was incredibly cheap. When I say really good, I mean good as in a product of it's time... it obviously lack some knowledge and technology.
Forever ago I found a really good article that I have yet to find since, but it was a primary source of a newspaper in the early 1900s about a doctor complaining about the incoming regulations. He foresaw doctors collaborating to make healthcare more expensive and require more and more licenses no matter the degree of severity of condition your patients are having. It was an awesome article, and it showed how the healthcare system in America evolved over time to be more expensive.
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Healthcare that most people can't afford is not good healthcare. You're excusing our failures and looking back to a time you never lived in with rose colored goggles. Perhaps if you actually experienced something else in your life you might know the difference. I've lived in Germany for nearly a decade now, and while my family in friends in the states are literally dying or going bankrupt because they can't afford the healthcare they need, every person I know in Germany has full coverage at a fraction of the cost and just waves their card when they need anything.

I just went through a consultation, multiple screenings, surgery and post-consultation without paying a dime, and my monthly rate is about 320 euros and covers all of my dependents including dental. Why are you so reluctant to just admit that our healthcare isn't the best and there's a ton we can do to improve it?

celticwar17 said:
Let California be the first to be the example!
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If California did that it would be like the ****ing 30th example. How many examples do you need? Can you provide ONE example of a fully free market healthcare system that isn't awful? Somalia must be nice right?
 
celticwar17 said:
I find those ranking systems incredibly biased.

Every healthcare system has problems. The biggest problem with the US's is that it's expensive.

And I disagree that there has never been in history... Actually America in the early 1900s had really good healthcare, that was incredibly cheap. When I say really good, I mean good as in a product of it's time... it obviously lack some knowledge and technology.

Forever ago I found a really good article that I have yet to find since, but it was a primary source of a newspaper in the early 1900s about a doctor complaining about the incoming regulations. He foresaw doctors collaborating to make healthcare more expensive and require more and more licenses no matter the degree of severity of condition your patients are having. It was an awesome article, and it showed how the healthcare system in America evolved over time to be more expensive.
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Power and status (wealth) are addictive.

That is, has been, and will continue to be the worlds problem until we address this.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No they do not. They pay LESS THAN HALF per capita what we pay, there is no secret tax that makes up the difference, that is all included. It's like your so wildly uninformed about the facts that you just make up things.

So buck up you two and show direct evidence of secret taxes to fund healthcare that prove that everyone else's healthcare is actually more expensive. You can't because it isn't.
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But its TAXES!11!

It does not matter that it costs more retail.

Taxes are all bad, m'kay?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Healthcare that most people can't afford is not good healthcare. You're excusing our failures and looking back to a time you never lived in with rose colored goggles. Perhaps if you actually experienced something else in your life you might know the difference. I've lived in Germany for nearly a decade now, and while my family in friends in the states are literally dying or going bankrupt because they can't afford the healthcare they need, every person I know in Germany has full coverage at a fraction of the cost and just waves their card when they need anything.

I just went through a consultation, multiple screenings, surgery and post-consultation without paying a dime, and my monthly rate is about 320 euros and covers all of my dependents including dental. Why are you so reluctant to just admit that our healthcare isn't the best and there's a ton we can do to improve it?
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Democrats are playing with fire, they may be the only ones wanting to address the problem nationally.... but they are addressing it the worst way possible when we already have a huge debt crisis.

I say, let the states make their own healthcare systems.... Why not have a state have universal healthcare.... Let California be the first to be the example! I don't see why this is not a better solution, instead of forcing the entire American public to have something they may not want.

Having states manage their own healthcare systems is the best of all worlds. And they can be much more specialized to the particular state's needs.
 
brothern said:
You misunderstand Ocasio-Cortez's presentation. Though Fox News is doing it's best to obfusticate.
Medicare-For-All would command additional taxpayer dollars, but it would be recouping the dollars that are currently spent privately.

In that, Ocasio-Cortez would be presenting the question to the voter/taxpayer: "Do you prefer to pay $10,000 for a surgery to the hospital; or $8,000 to Medicare for the same surgery?"
... and arguing for the latter.

Now some people would say "yes" and some people would say "no," but what Ocasio-Cortez is not say is that she doesn't have a clue where the money will come from.
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So then her answer should be, she would raise taxes.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
The fact that you would resort to completely made up lies like the bolded above destroys your entire argument.
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Have you ever been to a hospital or clinic along the US Canadian border? With all the Canadians crowding in it's the one area where you will have a wait. But not as long as the wait you would have in Canada for healthcare.

Take some time and read about the private clinics the British royals and other elites go to. Or the US trip a former prime minister took for his heart surgery.
 
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